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1. dpcan ◴[] No.5878072[source]
OK, but tomorrow when I've forgotten that I've done this and I do a quick search, if the very first thing that comes up isn't what I want, I bet I switch right back.
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2. Helianthus ◴[] No.5878156[source]
You get used to typing !g if you want google's results, and then it's automatically run through encrypted.google.com
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3. psbp ◴[] No.5878202[source]
Hacker news forgets that people need to get shit done, and all of this bullshit marketing is just a distraction.
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4. hkmurakami ◴[] No.5878267[source]
I found that having the !$var shortcuts to all sorts of sites (including !g for google, !w for wikipedia, and single word strings for many lesser trafficked sites) has made me more productive than a plain google search bar where I often need to add an extra click to the workflow.
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5. dpcan ◴[] No.5878269[source]
It took one search for some css help I needed and I already switched back to Google. I don't have time to see if DDG knows the answer yet. I just need the answer and Google gives it to me.
6. magicalist ◴[] No.5878285{3}[source]
As is usually pointed out in these threads, if you're using Chrome anyways, you can do the same thing (and with the same bang syntax, if you want to go to the bother of customizing them that way) with the location bar in Chrome. Start typing the web address, hit tab, enter the query, and it just goes straight to wikipedia, google, etc with no DDG intermediary.

It's slightly different, but you can do almost the same thing with Keywords in the Firefox location bar, and they presumably could support the bang syntax (or whatever) as well.

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7. wilfra ◴[] No.5878310[source]
That's what I did a few months ago when I tried DDG as default. The learning curve getting used to their design was a hurdle I didn't feel like jumping either.
8. Legion ◴[] No.5878460{4}[source]
It's more than "slightly different".

By all means, try and replicate this complete list in your Chrome browser: https://duckduckgo.com/bang.html. I'll wait...

What makes the DDG !bang system awesome is its enormity. You don't look up what !bang to use to search something. You assume it exists, do it, and 99% of the time, you're right. That's a game changer.

I don't write Perl, but I know !cpan exists. I don't even have to look. I don't even know exactly what site it's going to search. But I know if I !cpan twitter, I'm going to be looking at a list of Perl libraries for tweeting.

That's the DDG killer feature. You want to do some kind of site-specific search or lookup, you just type in the most logical sounding !bang and assume it will work. You're simply never going to replicate that inside your browser.

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9. strager ◴[] No.5878594{5}[source]
> You're simply never going to replicate that inside your browser.

Why not?

10. magicalist ◴[] No.5878597{5}[source]
You don't have to replicate the list. Why would you want to? If you've visited a site before and it has a search box on it that matches some heuristic, it gets added to your search engine list. Odds are, far more than 99% of the time, you're going to be searching a site you've already visited before. I agree it is very handy.
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11. KirinDave ◴[] No.5878628[source]
Strong words coming from someone meta-commenting on a hacker news story instead of "getting shit done."
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12. hayksaakian ◴[] No.5878639{6}[source]
His main point has to do with finding new sites about specific topics. A different use case not met by Chrome's implementation.
13. ivanca ◴[] No.5878656[source]
Is really sad that this comment is not grayed out.
14. abe_duarte ◴[] No.5878688{3}[source]
Lol!
15. oelmekki ◴[] No.5878707[source]
Also, since we talk about chrome, there are very handful and underused search engine shortcuts built in : simply type the first letters of the search engine in address bar and press <tab>.

I've switched to duckduckgo about a month ago, and indeed I'm regularly making search on google because duckduckgo just can't provide the results I want as well (especially when it comes to non english search). But it's way less a pain that it seems : I just type "g<tab>", and I'm using google. And I still have the high privacy advantage of duckduckgo for most of my searches where the duck is enough.

The bonus of that is that I now frequently use "gi<tab>" to search on github or "y<tab>" to search on youtube.

16. TeMPOraL ◴[] No.5878817{3}[source]
You have to do something on your Pomodoro breaks...
17. hnolable ◴[] No.5878837[source]
Just use Google through a VPN you trust. Same threat model, better results.
18. dredmorbius ◴[] No.5879227[source]
"^L g<tab> search" and you're searching Google.

I've had DDG as my default search engine. It's been a bit rocky. I've left it in place out of privacy preferences, and used it occasionally, but had actually started getting used to the google search method above.

I'm consciously reverting to using DDG more (it's getting better). Why? Because my privacy and rights do matter to me. I've still got Google literally a keystroke away (or !g from any DDG search, or !sp for StartPage's private proxied Google search).

And DDG's TTY mode is pretty awesome: https://duckduckgo.com/tty/

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19. dredmorbius ◴[] No.5879230{5}[source]
What makes the DDG !bang system awesome is its enormity.

Please don't tell me it's evil.

I believe you meant "scope", "scale", or "size".

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20. dredmorbius ◴[] No.5879325{4}[source]
I've become very used to doing this. The other handy fact is that if you start typing out a URL you can see the expansion, then hit tab to start the search, rather than having to remember the bang syntax for DDG.

I'll switch between methods though.

21. reaperhulk ◴[] No.5879582{6}[source]
Enormity has a neutral use as well.
22. minikites ◴[] No.5879593{6}[source]
> Usage note

> 3. Enormity has been in frequent and continuous use in the sense “immensity” since the 18th century: The enormity of the task was overwhelming. Some hold that enormousness is the correct word in that sense and that enormity can only mean “outrageousness” or “atrociousness”: The enormity of his offenses appalled the public.

23. epsylon ◴[] No.5879754[source]
> And DDG's TTY mode is pretty awesome: https://duckduckgo.com/tty/

How does one find this kind of hidden features? I haven't seen it advertised anywhere except on HN.

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24. Zuider ◴[] No.5881613{6}[source]
>Please don't tell me it's evil.

I am a little confused by your comment - has the word "enormous" come to mean "evil"? If so, maybe this new came about from people referring to the "enormity of a crime". It seems to have followed a similar etymological evolution to the word "gross" as in "gross depravity". But both words just mean "big".

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25. dredmorbius ◴[] No.5882557{7}[source]
The word "enormity" means generally "evil": The state or quality of exceeding a measure or rule, or of being immoderate, monstrous, or outrageous. (1913 Webster).

It's not a general synonym for "enormous" or "having vast size", except by confusion.

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26. dredmorbius ◴[] No.5882592{3}[source]
HN among others.

I filed a bug about poor integration of DDG with w3m (a console-mode browser) based on default placement of the search button in the tab order. I received a response within the day pointing me at the lite interface: https://duckduckgo.com/lite

... which works perfectly.

That said: these do tend to be somewhat hidden, and I didn't find them through the "Goodies" or "Settings" DDG pages just now. Hrm.

27. Zuider ◴[] No.5882864{8}[source]
Wow. Maybe it is an American English usage. In British English "enormous" is always used as a synonym for "huge", never for "evil". In fact, a quick google of the word revealed the former usage to be the more prevalent one. For instance, there is a famous children's story called "The enormous turnip" (adapted from a story by Tolstoy).

http://www.boomerangbooks.com.au/Enormous-Turnip/Katie-Dayne...

Obviously, the children's story uses "enormous" to imply that the turnip is very large, not very wicked. Somehow "the dastardly rutabaga" or "the heinous swede" makes a lot less sense in this context.

Edit: Admission - I used DDG (my default search engine), not google.

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28. Zarel ◴[] No.5884231{9}[source]
That's not what he's saying; he's saying that "enormity" isn't a synonym for "enormousness".
29. Zarel ◴[] No.5884238{6}[source]
It's actually a standard, not a heuristic:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenSearch

If the search box is nonstandard, you can also add it manually by right-clicking the search box and clicking "Add as Search Engine".

30. tripzilch ◴[] No.5884639[source]
then you type !g after the query (or before) and it sends you right on your way to (https) Google.

Making DDG my default search is the best thing I've done for improving my browser search capabilities. Coming from Opera, I'm already in the habit of using a great many custom search engines, which is nice if you're in Opera, but then Chrome feels very empty. Making DDG the default search gives me just about all of my custom search engines (and more), with pretty intuitive keywords, without having to configure and sync every browser on my system.

ever since ~2-3 years ago, Google is only very rarely my first stop in searching, I so much prefer to go directly where I want.

biggest part of the reason was their second-guessing my query and their results deviating more and more from a simple AND-query over my keywords. it felt like someone replaced my filet knife with a butter knife. (the other part was their instant search result updating and other "enhancements" were super distracting to me).

the only times when I go straight to Google (by which I mean prefix !g to my query), is for a few typical "local/Dutch" or "commercial/consumer" searches, you get a feel for what Google would answer better. Those types of queries are exactly what Google has been optimizing for the past few years, at the great cost of their general and precise web searching quality.

(PS, tip for the Dutch HNers: '!wnl' searches the Dutch Wikipedia. No you don't need it often but when you do, it's nice to have it quickly. I couldn't find it first because I always had it keyed to 'wn' myself, which sends DDG to a weather search site or something)

31. tripzilch ◴[] No.5884653{4}[source]
I've been doing that for years (Opera was first with this functionality), but simply being setting DDG to the default search versus having to configure all those different keywords, saves me SO much time.

If it was just my desktop, and for some reason it only had one browser, okay. Customization is always cool. But I use too many different computers with too many different browsers in too many different locations that DDG's !bangs makes this really convenient and portable, getting the fast browsing workflow I'm used to in just a few clicks.