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Neil44 ◴[] No.46276482[source]
Samsung makes fast expensive storage but even cheap storage can max out SATA, hence there's no point Samsung trying to compete in the dwindling SATA space.
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mwambua ◴[] No.46277119[source]
Does this mean that we'll start to see SATA replaced with faster interfaces in the future? Something like U.2/U.3 that's currently available to the enterprise?
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zamadatix ◴[] No.46277882[source]
NVMe via m.2 remains more than fine for covering the consumer SSD use cases.
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zokier ◴[] No.46278011[source]
Problem is that you only get pitiful amount of m2 slots in mainstream motherboards.
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wtallis ◴[] No.46278102[source]
Three is not pitiful. Three is plenty for mainstream use cases, which is what mainstream motherboards are designed for.
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ComputerGuru ◴[] No.46278478[source]
We used to have motherboards with six or twelve SATA ports. And SATA HDDs have way more capacity than the paltry (yet insanely expensive) options available with NVMe.
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mgerdts ◴[] No.46278707[source]
This article is talking about SATA SSDs, not HDDs. While the NVMe spec does allow for MVMe HDDs, it seems silly to waste even one PCIe lane on a HDD. SATA HDDs continue to make sense.
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1. ComputerGuru ◴[] No.46279959[source]
And I'm saying assuming that m.2 slots are sufficient to replace SATA is folly because it is only talking about SSDs.

And SATA SSDs do make sense, they are significantly more cost effective than NVMe and trivial to expand. Compare the simplicity, ease, and cost of building an array/pool of many disks comprised of either 2.5" SATA SSDs or M.2 NVMe and get back to me when you have a solution that can scale to 8, 14, or 60 disks as easily and cheaply as the SATA option can. There are many cases where the performance of SSDs going over ACHI (or SAS) is plenty and you don't need to pay the cost of going to full-on PCIe lanes per disk.

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2. wtallis ◴[] No.46280522[source]
> And SATA SSDs do make sense, they are significantly more cost effective than NVMe

That doesn't seem to be what the vendors think, and they're probably in a better position to know what's selling well and how much it costs to build.

We're probably reaching the point where the up-front costs of qualifying new NAND with old SATA SSD controllers and updating the firmware to properly manage the new NAND is a cost that cannot be recouped by a year or two of sales of an updated SATA SSD.

SATA SSDs are a technological dead end that's no longer economically important for consumer storage or large scale datacenter deployments. The one remaining niche you've pointed to (low-performance storage servers) is not a large enough market to sustain anything like the product ecosystem that existed a decade ago for SATA SSDs.