←back to thread

432 points nobody9999 | 2 comments | | HN request time: 0.595s | source
Show context
codedokode ◴[] No.46246465[source]
In my opinion, every manufacturer of a programmable device should not be allowed to prevent the buyer from reprogramming it.
replies(8): >>46247960 #>>46248388 #>>46250102 #>>46250233 #>>46251819 #>>46252140 #>>46252929 #>>46280460 #
tomp ◴[] No.46250233[source]
Well, your opinion is literally illegal.

You're legally (and technically) prohibited from re-programming GPS modules, GSM modules, and probably many stuff in cars as well.

(Actually, maybe contractually when it comes to GPS modules.)

replies(9): >>46250260 #>>46250373 #>>46250403 #>>46250597 #>>46251072 #>>46251189 #>>46251287 #>>46251450 #>>46253001 #
loloquwowndueo ◴[] No.46250260[source]
He is saying that it should not be illegal to do so.
replies(1): >>46250341 #
simonask ◴[] No.46250341[source]
And they are saying that it already is, naming a few examples of things that really need to be illegal to reprogram.

GPS et al would be non-functional if everybody could make a jammer.

(That’s not to say that app stores fall even remotely in that category.)

replies(5): >>46250409 #>>46250523 #>>46250530 #>>46251077 #>>46251080 #
fluoridation ◴[] No.46250530[source]
I don't really understand your point in restating this. Someone who says "X should be true" isn't going to be convinced that X should be false by reminding them that X is in fact false.

>GPS et al would be non-functional if everybody could make a jammer.

Then it should be illegal to make a GPS jammer. Making it illegal to reprogram a GPS receiver in any way is unnecessarily broad.

replies(1): >>46251068 #
everforward ◴[] No.46251068[source]
GPS is a bad example, but there are things that pose a physical threat to others that we maybe shouldn't tinker with. Like I think some modern cars are fly-by-wire, so you could stick the accelerator open and disable the breaks and steering. If it's also push-to-start, that's probably not physically connected to the ignition either.

It would be difficult to catch in an inspection if you could reprogram the OEM parts.

I don't care about closed-course cars, though. Do whatever you want to your track/drag car, but cars on the highway should probably have stock software for functional parts.

replies(5): >>46251354 #>>46251365 #>>46251511 #>>46251750 #>>46257370 #
1. saurik ◴[] No.46251511[source]
> It would be difficult to catch in an inspection if you could reprogram the OEM parts.

This would be easy to inspect if the device were open.

replies(1): >>46256832 #
2. codedokode ◴[] No.46256832[source]
The simplest solution to prevent tampering is a seal.