I still wish Mozilla had kept oxidizing Firefox. It would have been a net positive for Rust itself.
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13 years to get to v0.0.1 is a success? Look at how much progress Ladybird has made in a fraction of that time. Remember that these people are constantly starting rewrites of C and C++ projects (when they're not demanding others do it) in Rust "for safety" (and "oops it's MIT now"), even of ancient Unix utilities with minimal attack surfaces like the "date" command, yet when it comes to a browser rendering engine, which entails computationally-intensive, aggressively-optimized rendering of untrusted input--a massive attack surface, and the very thing for which Rust was supposedly designed--they somehow can't get the right combination of enough Rust zealots (and Adderall) to get past the finish line.
Your life might improve if you stop believing that Rust devs belong to a cult of your own imagination.
A TS compiler from scratch built in Rust would be fine.
> cultists
The cult is in your imagination.
Servo was meant to be a test-bed for new architectures that might or might not be usable by Firefox. It was never meant to become Firefox' new web renderer, and it wasn't until more recently and long after the Mozilla-pocalypse that a new team took over the project with a goal of productionalizing the project as a whole. Stylo, for example, was integrated into Firefox 57 and allowed for parallel CSS style calculation, an effort that was tried unsuccessfully multiple times in C++.
> You can frame that as an architectural concern...
"Go also offers excellent control of memory layout and allocation (both on an object and field level) without requiring that the entire codebase continually concern itself with memory management."
"The TypeScript compiler's move to Go was influenced by specific technical requirements, such as the need for structural compatibility with the existing JavaScript-based codebase, ease of memory management, and the ability to handle complex graph processing efficiently. "
If memory management and ability to handle complex graph processing efficiently isn't related to architecture to you I don't know what to tell you.
[0] https://github.com/microsoft/typescript-go/discussions/411
> The cult is in your imagination.
CTRL+F "rust" on the Go issue and see how many results you get. 31 for me and that's before expanding spam.
Rust can do complex graph processing, as well as efficient easy memory management, but it's going to do it in a different structure than a GCed lang would. Hence my statement that 1 to 1 translation was the primary factor.
> CTRL+F "rust" on the Go issue and see how many results you get.
Yes and so what? There's 35 for .NET or 74 for C#, yet you don't see people claiming the C# cult was harassing the TS team.
Wine took a roughly same amount of time to be versioned as well, but no one calls Wine a failure.
Because esbuild is Go. tac was TypeScript and will be Go. Bun is Zig.
Come to think of it. I don't use a single Rust tool for the web. node is c++. deno breaks too much.
So, do you have a source for your claim?
Second, you're simply ignoring that parent poster mentioned Ladybird, a non-rust project which is advancing much more speedily than servo. And I think they have a valid point -- and while the jury is still out, it's possible that in other rust-centric efforts which have experienced foot-dragging (eg WASI), the root cause may be rust itself.
Parent poster expressed their point somewhat sarcastically, but if I (C++/python dev, I admit!) were a betting transfem, my money would be on them being right.
That said, I think the Tor project got this decision right. This is as close to an ideal use-case for rust as you can get. Also, the project is mature, which will mitigate rewrite risk. The domain is one where rust can truly shine -- and it's a critical one to get right.
All built with Rust