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Also: We built a resource hub to fight back against age verification https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/12/age-verification-comin...
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pksebben ◴[] No.46236900[source]
This keeps coming up and we keep having the same debates about what Age Verification isn't.

For the folks in the back row:

Age Verification isn't about Kids or Censorship, It's about Surveillance

Age Verification isn't about Kids or Censorship, It's about Surveillance

Age Verification isn't about Kids or Censorship, It's about Surveillance

Without even reaching for my tinfoil hat, the strategy at work here is clear [0 1 2]. If we have to know that you're not a minor, then we also have to know who you are so we can make any techniques to obfuscate that illegal. By turning this from "keep an eye on your kids" to "prove you're not a kid" they've created the conditions to make privacy itself illegal.

VPNs are next. Then PGP. Then anything else that makes it hard for them to know who you are, what you say, and who you say it to.

Please, please don't fall into the trap and start discussing whether or not this is going to be effective to protect kids. It isn't, and that isn't the point.

0 https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/11/lawmakers-want-ban-vpn...

1 https://www.techradar.com/vpn/vpn-privacy-security/vpn-usage...

2 https://hansard.parliament.uk/Lords/2025-09-15/debates/57714...

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knallfrosch ◴[] No.46237349[source]
> If we have to know that you're not a minor, then we also have to know who you are

That is untrue

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phyzome ◴[] No.46237429[source]
Are you aware of any age verification systems that do not have this property?

(This includes being robust against law enforcement action, legal or otherwise.)

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magicalhippo ◴[] No.46237958[source]
> Are you aware of any age verification systems that do not have this property?

As I understand it, it's the goal of OpenID4VP[1][2]. Using it a site can request to know if the user is over 18 say, and the user can return proof of just that one claim, I'm over 18, without sharing identifying information.

The new EU age verification solution[3] builds on this for example.

[1]: https://openid.net/specs/openid-4-verifiable-presentations-1...

[2]: https://docs.walt.id/concepts/data-exchange-protocols/openid...

[3]: https://ageverification.dev/

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stvltvs ◴[] No.46238105[source]
Can't read the specs at the moment, but what prevents the age verification service and the age-gated website from coluding and de-anonymizing your porn use?
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1. magicalhippo ◴[] No.46238692[source]
Haven't either had time to fully wrap my head around the details.

At least in the EU solution they say there would be multiple attestation serivices the user could choose to use. So that would be technically better than nothing.