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Also: We built a resource hub to fight back against age verification https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/12/age-verification-comin...
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pksebben ◴[] No.46236900[source]
This keeps coming up and we keep having the same debates about what Age Verification isn't.

For the folks in the back row:

Age Verification isn't about Kids or Censorship, It's about Surveillance

Age Verification isn't about Kids or Censorship, It's about Surveillance

Age Verification isn't about Kids or Censorship, It's about Surveillance

Without even reaching for my tinfoil hat, the strategy at work here is clear [0 1 2]. If we have to know that you're not a minor, then we also have to know who you are so we can make any techniques to obfuscate that illegal. By turning this from "keep an eye on your kids" to "prove you're not a kid" they've created the conditions to make privacy itself illegal.

VPNs are next. Then PGP. Then anything else that makes it hard for them to know who you are, what you say, and who you say it to.

Please, please don't fall into the trap and start discussing whether or not this is going to be effective to protect kids. It isn't, and that isn't the point.

0 https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/11/lawmakers-want-ban-vpn...

1 https://www.techradar.com/vpn/vpn-privacy-security/vpn-usage...

2 https://hansard.parliament.uk/Lords/2025-09-15/debates/57714...

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knallfrosch ◴[] No.46237349[source]
> If we have to know that you're not a minor, then we also have to know who you are

That is untrue

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phyzome ◴[] No.46237429[source]
Are you aware of any age verification systems that do not have this property?

(This includes being robust against law enforcement action, legal or otherwise.)

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1. delusional ◴[] No.46237759[source]
Cool trick to tie in the libertarian idea of protecting yourself from legally sanctioned government actions.
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2. phyzome ◴[] No.46240071[source]
To make this more concrete: There are a lot of "legally sanctioned" government actions happening in the US right now that are pretty dubious. That includes digging up old laws and giving them spicy new interpretations that legal experts agree are an abuse of power and not in the intent of the original law.

Some of these are getting batted down by judges, so right now the category of "legal" is especially vague. That's why I phrased it like that.

But also, we see cops just straight up stalking people using government tools. So that's another reason to be concerned about "legal" government actions.

Nothing to do with libertarianism.