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1019 points atgctg | 35 comments | 11 Dec 25 18:04 UTC | HN request time: 1.645s | source | bottom
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tenpoundhammer ◴[11 Dec 25 20:39 UTC] No.46236826[source]▶
I have been using chatGPT a ton over the last months and paying the subscription. Used it for coding, news, stock analysis, daily problems, and a whatever I could think of. I decided to give Gemini a go when version three came out to great reviews. Gemini handles every single one of my uses cases much better and consistently gives better answers. This is especially true for situations were searching the web for current information is important, makes sense that google would be better. Also OCR is phenomenal chatgpt can't read my bad hand writing but Gemini can easily. Only downsides are in the polish department, there are more app bugs and I usually have to leave the happen or the session terminates. There are bugs with uploading photos. The biggest complaint is that all links get inserted into google search and then I have to manipulate them when they should go directly to the chosen website, this has to be some kind of internal org KPI nonsense. Overall, my conclusion is that ChatGPT has lost and won't catch up because of the search integration strength.
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solarkraft ◴[11 Dec 25 20:45 UTC] No.46236896[source]▶
> Only downsides are in the polish department

What an understatement. It has me thinking „man, fuck this“ on the daily.

Just today it spontaneously lost an entire 20-30 minutes long thread and it was far from the first time. It basically does it any time you interrupt it in any way. It’s straight up data loss.

It’s kind of a typical Google product in that it feels more like a tech demo than a product.

It has theoretically great tech. I particularly like the idea of voice mode, but it’s noticeably glitchy, breaks spontaneously often and keeps asking annoying questions which you can’t make it stop.

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1. radicaldreamer ◴[11 Dec 25 21:07 UTC] No.46237180[source]▶
Google’s standard problem is that they don’t even use their own products. Their Pixel and Android team rocks iPhones on the daily, for example.
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2. onethought ◴[11 Dec 25 21:11 UTC] No.46237220[source]▶
I mean there is benefit to understanding competitor well as well?
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3. LogicFailsMe ◴[11 Dec 25 21:33 UTC] No.46237469[source]▶
Outweighed by the value of having to suffer with the moldy fruits of their own labor. That was the only way the Android Facebook app became usable as well.
4. RBerenguel ◴[11 Dec 25 21:36 UTC] No.46237510[source]▶
I would think this is not true
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5. ssl-3 ◴[11 Dec 25 22:25 UTC] No.46238131[source]▶
There certainly is.

To posit a scenario: I would expect General Motors to buy some Ford vehicles to test and play around with and use. There's always stuff to learn about what the competition has done (whether right, wrong, or indifferent).

But I also expect the parking lots used by employees at any GM design facility in the world to be mostly full of General Motors products, not Fords.

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6. Forgeties79 ◴[11 Dec 25 22:37 UTC] No.46238276[source]▶
I wonder how many apple employees walk in to the office with android phones
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7. Der_Einzige ◴[11 Dec 25 22:54 UTC] No.46238473[source]▶
That’s because they will be bullied out of the dating market if they have a “green bubble”.
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8. GenerWork ◴[11 Dec 25 23:25 UTC] No.46238792{3}[source]▶
>But I also expect the parking lots used by employees at any GM design facility in the world to be mostly full of General Motors products, not Fords.

I think you'd be surprised about the vehicle makeup at Big 3 design facilities.

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9. renewiltord ◴[11 Dec 25 23:27 UTC] No.46238818[source]▶
Yeah, I've heard that Sundar Pichai dogfoods the latest Pixel at least once a month and sometimes two or three times.
10. free652 ◴[12 Dec 25 00:00 UTC] No.46239140[source]▶
You cant buy an iPhone without a director approval. And it's like 3 gen behind as well. So no, they don't use iPhones.
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11. dominotw ◴[12 Dec 25 00:08 UTC] No.46239225[source]▶
you have to get premission from director for your presonal phone? wtf
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12. ummonk ◴[12 Dec 25 00:09 UTC] No.46239229[source]▶
Google tells its employees what products they're allowed to buy for personal use?
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13. gcr ◴[12 Dec 25 00:12 UTC] No.46239259[source]▶
lots of googlers use BYOD iPhones and the corp suite for this use case is fairly well-supported
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14. testdelacc1 ◴[12 Dec 25 00:40 UTC] No.46239469{3}[source]▶
For the work phone.
15. ssl-3 ◴[12 Dec 25 00:41 UTC] No.46239474{4}[source]▶
Maybe so.

I'm only familiar with Ford production and distribution facilities. Those parking lots are broadly full of Fords, but that doesn't mean that it's like this across the board.

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16. azinman2 ◴[12 Dec 25 00:42 UTC] No.46239485{3}[source]▶
Effectively zero.

Disclosure: I work at Apple. And when I was at Google I was shocked by how many iPhones there were.

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17. sam345 ◴[12 Dec 25 01:41 UTC] No.46239896[source]▶
That's inexcusable.
18. snypher ◴[12 Dec 25 01:48 UTC] No.46239950{3}[source]▶
Seems like they meant for a work device.
19. snypher ◴[12 Dec 25 01:50 UTC] No.46239960{3}[source]▶
The CEO of Ford was driving a competition EV for months;

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a62694325/ford-ceo-jim-far...

20. jimmaswell ◴[12 Dec 25 01:50 UTC] No.46239961{4}[source]▶
This is flabbergasting, how could such a large proportion of highly technical people willingly subject themselves to being shackled by iOS? They just happily put up with having one choice of browser, (outside Europe) no third party app stores, and being locked into the Apple ecosystem? I can't think of a single reason I would ever switch from an S22-25+U to an iPhone. I only went from 22U to 25U because my old one got smashed, otherwise the 22U would still be perfectly fine.
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21. dkga ◴[12 Dec 25 02:00 UTC] No.46240021[source]▶
What is a green bubble? iPhone's carbon footprint?
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22. dumbfounder ◴[12 Dec 25 02:20 UTC] No.46240161{5}[source]▶
Because it’s better.
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23. brookst ◴[12 Dec 25 02:29 UTC] No.46240218{3}[source]▶
Which makes tons of sense because iPhone users are higher CLV than Android users. If Google had to choose between major software defects in Android or iOS, they would focus quality on iOS every time.
24. brookst ◴[12 Dec 25 02:33 UTC] No.46240236{3}[source]▶
iMessage renders other iMessage users as blue bubbles, SMS/RCS as green bubbles.

People who can’t understand that many people actually prefer iOS use this green/blue thing to explain the otherwise incomprehensible (to them) phenomenon of high iOS market share. “Nobody really likes iOS, they just get bullied at school if they don’t use it”.

It’s just “wake up sheeple” dressed up in fake morality.

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25. brookst ◴[12 Dec 25 02:34 UTC] No.46240255{5}[source]▶
Because many of them just want to use their phone as a tool, not tinker with it.

Same way many professional airplane mechanics fly commercial rather than building their own plane. Just because your job is in tech doesn’t mean you have to be ultra-haxxor with every single device in your life.

26. sib ◴[12 Dec 25 02:57 UTC] No.46240374[source]▶
You'd be wrong (source - worked in the Android org).
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28. kaashif ◴[12 Dec 25 04:23 UTC] No.46240848{5}[source]▶
I don't have my phone (a Pixel) because it frees me from shackles or anything like that. It's just a phone. I use the default everything. Works great. I imagine most people with iPhones are the same.
29. ethbr1 ◴[12 Dec 25 04:33 UTC] No.46240895{4}[source]▶
As someone who switches between platforms somewhat frequently, iOS perpetually feels like people have Stockholm syndrome.

'Oh, that super annoying issue? Yeah, it's been there for years. We just don't do that.'

Fundamentally though, browsing the web on iOS, even with a custom "browser" with adblocking, feels like going back in time 15 years.

30. jimmaswell ◴[12 Dec 25 04:41 UTC] No.46240934{6}[source]▶
I've tried them out and not a single thing about it was tangibly better IMO. They have no inherent merit above Android except that some see them as a status symbol (which is absurd as my S25U has a higher MSRP than most iPhone models)
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31. hamburglar ◴[12 Dec 25 05:04 UTC] No.46241034{7}[source]▶
My bottom of the barrel iPhone SE is absolutely not a status symbol. It’s just the phone I like best.

The MSRP of your phone does not matter.

32. platevoltage ◴[12 Dec 25 05:32 UTC] No.46241172{4}[source]▶
It wouldn't be an issue if they didn't pick the worst green on earth. "Which green would you like for the carrier text messages Mr. Jobs?" ... "#00FF00 will be fine."
33. olyjohn ◴[12 Dec 25 06:52 UTC] No.46241530{5}[source]▶
GM has dedicated parking lots for employees with GM vehicles. Everybody else parks further away in the lot of shame.
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34. ssl-3 ◴[12 Dec 25 08:29 UTC] No.46242051{6}[source]▶
Of course.

And I've parked in the lot of shame at a Ford plant, as an outsider, in my GMC work truck -- way over there.

It wasn't so bad. A bit of a hike to go back and get a tool or something, but it was at least paved...unlike the non-union lot I'm familiar with at a P&G facility, which is a gravel lot that takes crossing a busy road to get to, lacks the active security and visibility from the plant that the union lot has, and which is full of tall weeds. At P&G, I half-expect to come back and find my tires slashed.

Anyway, it wasn't barren over there in the not-Ford lot, but it wasn't nearly so populous as the Ford lot was. The Ford-only lot is bigger, and always relatively packed.

It was very clear to me that the lots (all of the lots, in aggregate) were mostly full of Fords.

To bring this all back 'round: It is clear to me that Ford employees broadly (>50%) drive Fords to work at that plant.

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It isn't clear to me at all that Google Pixel developers don't broadly drive iPhones. As far as I can tell, that status (which is meme-level in its age at this point) is true, and they aren't broadly making daily use of the systems they build.

(And I, for one, can't imagine spending 40 hours a week developing systems that I refuse to use. I have no appreciation for that level of apparent arrogance, and I hope to never be suaded to be that way. I'd like to think that I'd be better-motivated to improve the system than I would be to avoid using it and choose a competitor instead.

I don't shit where I sleep.)

35. siva7 ◴[12 Dec 25 09:30 UTC] No.46242398[source]▶
that explains why their ios gemini app is so ridiculously bad. in private they probably use iphones and just chatgpt instead.