GPT-5.2

> “a new knowledge cutoff of August 2025”

This (and the price increase) points to a new pretrained model under-the-hood.

GPT-5.1, in contrast, was allegedly using the same pretraining as GPT-4o.

or maybe 5.1 was an older checkpoint and has more quantization

A new pretrain would definitely get more than a .1 version bump & would get a whole lot more hype I'd think. They're expensive to do!

Not if they didn't feel that it delivered customer value no? It's about under promising and over delivering, in every instance

Not if it underwhelms

Maybe they felt the increase in capability is not worth of a bigger version bump. Additionally pre-training isn't as important as it used to be. Most of the advances we see now probably come from the RL stage.

No, they just feed in another round of slop to the same model.

Releasing anything as "GPT-6" which doesn't provide a generational leap in performance would be a PR nightmare for them, especially after the underwhelming release of GPT-5.

I don't think it really matters what's under the hood. People expect model "versions" to be indexed on performance.

Not necessarily. GPT-4.5 was a new pretrain on top of a sizeable raw model scale bump, and only got 0.5 - because the gains from reasoning training in o-series overshadowed GPT-4.5's natural advantage over GPT-4.

OpenAI might have learned not to overhype. They already shipped GPT-5 - which was only an incremental upgrade over o3, and was received poorly, with this being a part of the reason why.

Maybe the rumors about failed training runs weren't wrong...

It’s possible they’re using some new architecture to get more up-to-date data, but I think that’d be even more of a headline.

My hunch is that this is the same 5.1 post-training on a new pretrained base.

Likely rushed out the door faster than they initially expected/planned.

I think it's more likely to be the old base model checkpoint further trained on additional data.

I jumped straight from 4o (free user) into GPT-5 (paid user).

It was a generational leap if there ever has been one. Much bigger than 3.5 to 4.

What kind of improvements do you expect when going from 5 straight to 6?

Yeah because OpenAI has been great at naming their models so far? ;)

Is that technically not a new pretrained model?

(Also not sure how that would work, but maybe I’ve missed a paper or two!)

I'd say for it to be called a new pretrained model, it'd need to be trained from scratch (like llama 1, 2, 3).

But it's just semantics.

Yes, if OpenAI released GPT-5 after GPT-4o, then it would have been seen as a proper generational leap.

But o3 existing and being good at what it does? Took the wind out of GPT-5's sails.