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zzo38computer ◴[] No.46214792[source]
Calibri font has "I" and "l" the same, according to Wikipedia. A better font should avoid characters being too similar (such as "I" and "l" and "1").

Another issue is due to the font size and font metrics, how much space it will take up on the page, to be small enough to avoid wasting paper and ink but also not too small to read.

So, there are multiple issues in choosing the fonts; however, Times New Roman and Calibri are not the only two possible choices.

Maybe the government should make up their own (hopefully public domain) font, which would be suitable for their purposes (and avoiding needing proprietary fonts), and use that instead.

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bulbar ◴[] No.46228391[source]
Nothing is more inefficient than the secretary of state thinking about and conducting meetings about the font used in documents. It just doesn't matter in the sense that it "doesn't move the needle".

I expect the leaders of a government deciding on matters that have a real impact on people's live, not on stuff that from a practical point of view is totally irrelevant.

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1. nailer ◴[] No.46228439[source]
The global impression of the US is worth thinking about. The font is part of that.
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2. bulbar ◴[] No.46228552[source]
It's really not. The used font just doesn't move the needle regarding the global impression. 99% of people never ever think or care about the font they use.

What else should be decided on on the highest level: spacing, padding, allowance of the Oxford comma?

It is useful that somebody thinks about that stuff, just not the highest level of the government.

That's like the CEO of Microsoft having meeting about coding conventions, space vs tabs, variable name format etc.

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3. jimnotgym ◴[] No.46228768[source]
The Global impression of the US is down the toilet. This only adds to that. I kept being told that I was not American, and America didn't care what the rest of the world thought. Which is it?
4. 7bit ◴[] No.46228800[source]
No one cares about the font US documents are written in. You're not that important.
5. moltopoco ◴[] No.46229522[source]
The irony here is that Steve Jobs _did_ actually think about fonts. Sure, he certainly didn't think about Times New Roman, but I disagree with the idea that someone at the top should not have time to write a quick memo about trivialities if it bothers them.
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6. seanhunter ◴[] No.46229899[source]
Speaking as someone who is not from the US I can say that the global impression of the US is not helped by the secretary of state bikeshedding about fonts. There are important issues of foreign affairs that need thought and attention at this time.
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7. oneeyedpigeon ◴[] No.46229971{3}[source]
(Part of) Steve Jobs' job was to deliver a great operating system, and part of that relates to how fonts are used. No part of the President's job involves picking a font, let alone legislating around it, unless there are actual political factors involved.
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8. sorenjan ◴[] No.46232308[source]
You want to know what the global impression of the US is right now? Here's a translated quote from a newspaper today, from a source in our military:

> – The US has the most qualified intelligence organizations in the world at its disposal. Both the CIA and the FBI have been politicized under the current regime. I find it difficult to see how we will be able to maintain the trusting cooperation we have had with the US in the past after this.

The actions of the current administration speaks far louder than any font ever could, and it's tearing down decades of good will and trust.

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9. notahacker ◴[] No.46234928[source]
It's an interesting thought, given what current global impressions are.

I'm imagining a scenario in which the President of the United States is doing his usual sort of diplomatic outreach, consisting of waffling incoherently about things he's heard on TV that he doesn't like about their country. At one point he loses his train of thought and starts bragging about how well he's doing in cognitive adequacy tests. The diplomats are waiting until the bit where they get to flatter and bribe him at the end, the bit where he usually reverses his foreign policy, so long as they can get him to understand what they're actually asking from him. One of them speculates whether it's even possible that half the country is actually dumber than this guy.

A staffer wearing a MAGA baseball cap sidles up to them with some briefing notes. And its just impossible not to notice the notes are typeset in the very same venerable font that was once used as the default for Windows 9x.

The diplomats are stunned. No sans serif wokeness here. The typeface exudes heritage and gravitas. At last they realize what a very serious adminstration they're dealing with.

10. nailer ◴[] No.46235220[source]
> That's like the CEO of Microsoft having meeting about coding conventions, space vs tabs, variable name format etc.

Gates absolutely did care when Windows products were bad.

11. nailer ◴[] No.46235506{4}[source]
The secretary of state communicates with foreign countries, and part of that relates to how fonts are used. I am sure you are already aware of this.
12. nailer ◴[] No.46235800[source]
> Both the CIA and the FBI have been politicized under the current regime.

The CIA and FBI were politicised well before the current regime. If you live in the US you will be aware of the Russiagate hoax.

13. nailer ◴[] No.46235851[source]
I don't think it really took much time.

"Use a better font in all documnts from now on"

There you go.