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Stop Breaking TLS

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170 points todsacerdoti | 1 comments | 10 Dec 25 07:06 UTC | HN request time: 0.198s | source
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samuel ◴[10 Dec 25 09:31 UTC] No.46215799[source]▶
I agree with the sentiment, but I think it's a pretty naive view of the issue. Companies will want all info they can in case some of their workers does something illegal-inappropiate to deflect the blame. That's a much more palpable risk than "local CA certificates being compromised or something like that.

And some of the arguments are just very easily dismissed. You don't want your employer to see you medical records? Why were you browsing them during work hours and using your employers' device in the first place?

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immibis ◴[10 Dec 25 09:42 UTC] No.46215855[source]▶
In Europe they prefer not to go to jail for privacy violations. It turns out most of these "communist" regulations are actually pretty great.
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johncolanduoni ◴[10 Dec 25 10:02 UTC] No.46215994[source]▶
Does GDPR (or similar) establish privacy rights to an employee’s use of a company-owned machine against snooping by their employer? Honest question, I hadn’t heard of that angle. Can employers not install EDR on company-owned machines for EU employees?
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1. immibis ◴[10 Dec 25 14:40 UTC] No.46218221[source]▶
It has to have a good purpose. Obviously there are a lot of words written about what constitutes a good purpose. Antivirus is probably one. Wanting to intimidate your employees is not. The same thing applies to security cameras.

Privacy laws are about the end-to-end process, not technical implementation. It's not "You can't MITM TLS" - it's more like "You can't spy on your employees". Blocking viruses is not spying on your employees. If you take the logs from the virus blocker and use them to spy on your employees, then you are spying on your employees. (Virus blockers aiming to be sold in the EU would do well not to keep unnecessary logs that could be used to spy on employees.)