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Has the cost of building software dropped 90%?

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413 points martinald | 2 comments | 08 Dec 25 19:00 UTC | HN request time: 0s | source
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tangotaylor ◴[09 Dec 25 12:42 UTC] No.46204312[source]▶
> Engineers need to really lean in to the change in my opinion.

I tried leaning in. I really tried. I'm not a web developer or game developer (more robotics, embedded systems). I tried vibe coding web apps and games. They were pretty boring. I got frustrated that I couldn't change little things. I remember getting frustrated that my game character kept getting stuck on imaginary walls and kept asking Cursor to fix it and it just made more and more of a mess. I remember making a simple front-end + backend with a database app to analyze thousands of pull request comments and it got massively slow and I didn't know why. Cursor wasn't very helpful in fixing it. I felt dumber after the whole process.

The next time I made a web app I just taught myself Flask and some basic JS and I found myself moving way more quickly. Not in the initial development, but later on when I had to tweak things.

The AI helped me a ton with looking things up: documentation, error messages, etc. It's essentially a supercharged Google search and Stack Overflow replacement, but I did not find it useful letting it take the wheel.

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r_lee ◴[09 Dec 25 13:08 UTC] No.46204550[source]▶
These posts like the one OP made is why I'm losing my mind.

Like, is there truly an agentic way to go 10x or is there some catch? At this point while I'm not thrilled about the idea of just "vibe coding" all the time, I'm fine with facing reality.

But I keep having the same experience as you, or rather leaning more on that supercharged Google/SO replacement

or just a "can you quickly make this boring func here that does xyz" "also add this" or for bash scripts etc.

And that's only when I've done most of the plumbing myself.

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1. jjice ◴[09 Dec 25 15:25 UTC] No.46205913[source]▶
> or just a "can you quickly make this boring func here that does xyz" "also add this" or for bash scripts etc.

I still write most of the interesting code myself, but when it comes to boring, tedious work (that's usually fairly repetitive, but can't be well abstracted any more), that's when I've found gen AI to be a huge win.

It's not 10x, because a lot of the time, I'm still writing code normally. For very specific, boring things (that also are usually my least favorite parts of code to write), it's fantastic and it really is a 10x. If you amortize that 10x over all the time, it's more like a 1.5x to 3x in my experience, but it saves my sanity.

Things like implementing very boring CRUD endpoints that have enough custom logic that I can't use a good abstraction and writing the associated tests.

I would dread doing work like that because it was just so mind numbing. Now, I've written a bunch of Cursor rules (that was actually pretty fun) so I can now drop in a Linear ticket description and have it get somewhere around 95% done all at once.

Now, if I'm writing something that is interesting, I probably want to work on it myself purely because it's fun, but also because the LLM may suck at it (although they're getting pretty damn good).

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2. davidjytang ◴[11 Dec 25 10:15 UTC] No.46229606[source]▶
3X means what you got done in 30 days now only takes 10 days, yeah?

66.7% time saving just by having AI doing boring stuff.