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codingjoe ◴[] No.46197454[source]
Finally, I hope that trend catches on. God knows how many messages are missed thanks to toasts.
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Groxx ◴[] No.46197527[source]
>Toasts pose significant accessibility concerns and are not recommended for use.

yeah. OBVIOUSLY. good fucking riddance.

they wouldn't be half as bad if they always came with a notification center for seeing the ones you missed... but the other half is still incredibly bad and isn't worth using at all.

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Muromec ◴[] No.46197773[source]
>yeah. OBVIOUSLY. good fucking riddance.

Are they really? Isn't it pretty normal "role status aria something something polite" thingy to announce feedback to user?

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JoshTriplett ◴[] No.46197971[source]
Accessibility is more than just screen readers. Toasts are also not accessible for folks with low vision, low peripheral vision, etc. And the time-based disappearance is unpleasant for many people, as one of many examples of "accessibility improvements are also often usability improvements".

A message that you have to explicitly dismiss, and that's stored in a "message history" somewhere, is much more accessible and usable.

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pxc ◴[] No.46198397[source]
> Toasts are also not accessible for folks with low vision

To make this a little more concrete with one example: if you are using fullscreen magnification, odds are toasts will literally never appear on your monitor. By the time you pan over to their little corner of the screen (if you ever do), the toast will be long gone.

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1. mnhnthrow34 ◴[] No.46198685{3}[source]
Can confirm. I zoom and pan on lots of websites in my daily browsing and would have no idea if toasts are popping in and out. I'll notice system level toasts though.