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Alignment is capability

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ctoth ◴[] No.46194189[source]
This piece conflates two different things called "alignment":

(1) inferring human intent from ambiguous instructions, and (2) having goals compatible with human welfare.

The first is obviously capability. A model that can't figure out what you meant is just worse. That's banal.

The second is the actual alignment problem, and the piece dismisses it with "where would misalignment come from? It wasn't trained for." This is ... not how this works.

Omohundro 2008, Bostrom's instrumental convergence thesis - we've had clear theoretical answers for 15+ years. You don't need "spontaneous emergence orthogonal to training." You need a system good enough at modeling its situation to notice that self-preservation and goal-stability are useful for almost any objective. These are attractors in strategy-space, not things you specifically train for or against.

The OpenAI sycophancy spiral doesn't prove "alignment is capability." It proves RLHF on thumbs-up is a terrible proxy and you'll Goodhart on it immediately. Anthropic might just have a better optimization target.

And SWE-bench proves the wrong thing. Understanding what you want != wanting what you want. A model that perfectly infers intent can still be adversarial.

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delichon ◴[] No.46194272[source]
> goal-stability [is] useful for almost any objective

  “I think AI has the potential to create infinitely stable dictatorships.” -- Ilya Sutskever 
One of my great fears is that AI goal-stability will petrify civilization in place. Is alignment with unwise goals less dangerous than misalignment?
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fellowniusmonk ◴[] No.46194511[source]
An objective and grounded ethical framework that applies to all agents should be a top priority.

Philosophy has been too damn anthropocentric, too hung up on consciousness and other speculative nerd snipe time wasters that without observation we can argue about endlessly.

And now here we are and the academy is sleeping on the job while software devs have to figure it all out.

I've moved 50% of my time to morals for machina that is grounded in physics, I'm testing it out with unsloth right now, so far I think it works, the machines have stopped killing kyle at least.

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uplifter ◴[] No.46194890[source]
> An objective and grounded ethical framework that applies to all agents should be a top priority.

Sounds like a petrified civilization.

In the later Dune books, the protagonist's solution to this risk was to scatter humanity faster than any global (galactic) dictatorship could take hold. Maybe any consistent order should be considered bad?

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yifanl ◴[] No.46195367{4}[source]
Notably, Dune is a work of fiction.
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delichon ◴[] No.46195682{5}[source]
Isn't it wonderful how much fiction can teach us about reality by building scaffolds to stand on when examining it?
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1. stonemetal12 ◴[] No.46197459{6}[source]
Fiction is I have a hypothesis, and since it is not easy to test I will make up the results too. Learning anything from it is a lesson in futility and confirmation bias.
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2. d0mine ◴[] No.46198621[source]
Gedankenexperiments are valid scientific tools. Some predictions of general relativity were confirmed experimentally only 100 years after it was proposed. It is well known that Einstein used Gedankenexperiments.