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Applets are officially gone, but Java in the browser is better

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78 points pjmlp | 1 comments | 08 Dec 25 08:16 UTC | HN request time: 0.436s | source
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epistasis ◴[08 Dec 25 08:31 UTC] No.46189804[source]▶
The only thing worse than launching the JVM from the command line, with it's looooooooooooong and inexplicable load time, was hitting a web page and having it lock the browser for that amount of load time.

I remember a few decades ago somebody saying the JVM was incredible technology, and as a user and programmer I still have zero clue what the hell they could have been thinking was good about the JVM.

I hear that now, decades into Java, they have figured out how to launch a program without slowing a computer down for 10+ seconds, but I'll be damned if I find out. There are still so many rough edges that they never even bothered to try to fix about launching a .jar with classpath dependencies. What a mess!

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kakacik ◴[08 Dec 25 08:41 UTC] No.46189885[source]▶
What the heck are you writing about, you clearly have no clue about last 2+ decades of Java or topic in general but felt the urgent need to emotionally vent off because... ?
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1. anthk ◴[08 Dec 25 08:59 UTC] No.46190010[source]▶
We were there. It still was atrociously slow compared to most TCL/Tk stuff I've used. TCL and Tk improved a little on speed and it almost looks native on tons of software, meanwhile with Java if you have to run some biggie software on legacy machines you are doomed by watching the widgets redraw themselves in some cases.

And, on its Android cousin... pick any S60 based Symbian phone (or anything else)... and try telling us the same. The lag, the latency, the bullshit of Java we are suffering because, you know, for phone developers, switch from J2ME to another Java stack was pretty much an easy task, but hell for the user. Even Inferno would have been better if it were free and it had a mobile ecosystem developed for it.