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Scala 3 slowed us down?

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261 points kmaliszewski | 1 comments | 07 Dec 25 15:08 UTC | HN request time: 0s | source
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derriz ◴[07 Dec 25 16:56 UTC] No.46183103[source]▶
I was involved in a Scala point version migration (2.x) migration a few years ago. I remember it being painful. Although I recall most of the pain was around having lots of dependencies and waiting for libraries to become available.

At the time Scala was on upswing because it had Spark as its killer app. It would have been a good time for the Scala maintainers to switch modes - from using Scala as a testbed for interesting programming-language theories and extensions to providing a usable platform as a general commercially usable programming language.

It missed the boat I feel. The window has passed (Spark moved to Python and Kotlin took over as the "modern" JVM language) and Scala is back to being an academic curiosity. But maybe the language curators never saw expanding mainstream usage as a goal.

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hylaride ◴[07 Dec 25 17:07 UTC] No.46183190[source]▶
Outside of Android work, has Kotlin really taken over? My understanding is that Java added a lot of functional programming and that took a lot of wind out of Scala's sails (though Scala's poor tooling certainly never helped anything).
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esafak ◴[07 Dec 25 17:25 UTC] No.46183338[source]▶
Java's new features are always going to be on paper. The ecosystem, with all its legacy code, is always going to be a decade behind. And if you are starting a new project, why would you pick Java over Kotlin?
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frje1400 ◴[07 Dec 25 18:44 UTC] No.46183966{3}[source]▶
> And if you are starting a new project, why would you pick Java over Kotlin?

Because in 5-10 years you'll have a Java project that people can still maintain as if it's any other Java project. If you pick Kotlin, that might at that point no longer be a popular language in whatever niche you are in. What used to be the cool Kotlin project is now seen as a burden. See: Groovy, Clojure, Scala. Of course, I recognize that not all projects work on these kinds of timelines, but many do, including most things that I work on.

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1. wrathofmonads ◴[07 Dec 25 21:47 UTC] No.46185501{4}[source]▶
Clojure has never been a popular language, nor has it aimed to be mainstream. That is the Lisp curse. It has never positioned itself as a "better Java". It shines in applications where immutable, consistent, and queryable data is crucial, and it has found another niche in UIs through ClojureScript.