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1. satisfice ◴[] No.46184219[source]
To call reading the news “vanity” exposes the true vanity of this kind of post. What is the logic of assigning the word “vanity” to my interest to know what’s going on in the world? It’s vanity because I have no important decisions to make about the war in Ukraine, or the perfidy of my government?

It’s not vanity, it’s a desire to understand my world and my place within it.

What IS vanity is imagining that one’s own tastes are the only tastes that matter in the world.

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2. card_zero ◴[] No.46184652[source]
The given definition of vain is "if they don’t lead to something more important (e.g. profit)". I don't directly profit from reading the news, it's true. I'd have to make quite hand-wavy arguments about why it's beneficial. We can also list activities such as friendship, dreams, appreciating beauty, and feeling excited as non-profitable. Then there's having aspirations: what do we gain from that? Without goals, we could save a great deal of time and effort. Striving for profit, then, is a vain and non-profitable activity because of the unnecessariness of everything.
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3. satisfice ◴[] No.46184859[source]
I like your comment.

I'm confused by how differently some otherwise smart people view the world than I do. My wife and family, by some definitions, are worthless. They have no economic value. But I look at them and feel that we lead lives of meaning and purpose every day. We know why we are alive and we are living up to it. If that's unproductive, then productivity itself is, I declare, vanity.

4. brokensegue ◴[] No.46185161[source]
yeah that's just a bad definition. nobody would describe painting for fun as "vanity". vanity metrics make sense because in business the goal is to make money. in life that is not the goal.
5. cachius ◴[] No.46185375[source]
More like a desire for dopamine.
6. throwforfeds ◴[] No.46186217[source]
Yeah, I think "vanity" is not totally the right term here, but I do think they have a point that there are diminishing returns with staying up on the news cycle.

For instance, I think there is a difference between reading some news daily and consuming only news. My father was in the latter category growing up -- I never really saw him read a book, but he was always reading a paper or listening to/watching a news program. Personally I find that I get more from reading books as they're afforded the space to go into depth on a topic. I think the author is trying to point out that that surface level news consumption is fine but probably not as beneficial as we might want to tell ourselves.

The one thing I've found most helpful news-wise, though, is that I find that it's one of the better ways to learn a foreign language to an upper-intermediate or advanced level. I relied heavily on RFI and other news outlets when learning French, with the added benefit that you're often getting international news the media doesn't report on here in the US.

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7. fastball ◴[] No.46186448[source]
You are reading too much into choice of term. The author explains their rationale for using "vanity" quite clearly:

> In business, a “vanity metric” is a statistic that sounds good but is not very useful.

It's not about you being "vain" for reading the newspaper, it's just a parallel to another widely used term the author co-opted.

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8. Nevermark ◴[] No.46187203[source]
> Yeah, I think "vanity" is not totally the right term here

“Recreation” is perhaps a good word.

But I also use “vanity” for doing serious things, for a non-serious purpose in a similar way. I.e. one day I would like to be able to afford to have some “vanity businesses”, regardless of profitability, like bar I have designed, a winery, etc.

Pretty common hobbies for the wealthy.

Those are not things that drive me, and not for appearance sake (I.e. not that kind of vanity). But if I had enough to throw in this direction without any risk to myself, I would enjoy that.

9. satisfice ◴[] No.46187902[source]
He literally says: "Our definition for vanity activity can be similar: something you do that seems more useful or virtuous than it really is."

And then he suggests that reading the news is a vanity activity.

My comment is perfectly on point. I think he is engaging in a vanity activity, by his own definition, when he suggests that reading the news is a vanity activity.

It's fine to have an opinion and a way of looking at the world. My objection is when a person claims that opinion is something more rational than it is-- while pissing on the choices other people make.

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11. fastball ◴[] No.46188767{3}[source]
It is not hard to convincingly argue that reading the news is less useful than many participants believe it to be.

You in particular getting as much value out of the activity as you think you do doesn't negate the point of the article. Exceptions make rules, and the author said "most people".