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nicbou ◴[] No.46177825[source]
To offer a bit of context, the same government just voted to raise current pensions at the expense of steep taxation hikes for current workers, made massive cuts to social services, and is now discussing military service.

This generation is rightfully feeling like they're getting a sore deal.

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sunshine-o ◴[] No.46180364[source]
Yes and the question is who does the German state really target to enroll in their "new" army. Because "This generation" has a lot of clearly distinct groups.

So it could be:

- the native young population who are now flocking in the AfD

- the people fighting the AfD in the street

- the second generation immigrants born there

- the very recent immigrants

- a mix of all

Because the alchemy of creating a working army and "esprit de corps" is much harder than in a corporation. You cannot just take a modern managerial approach to creating an army.

A mix of all will end up obviously in a disaster but selecting on any group will end up in a civil war or coup.

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flohofwoe ◴[] No.46180916[source]
> A mix of all will end up obviously in a disaster

Why would an army that directly mirrors the civil society be a bad thing?

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sunshine-o ◴[] No.46181011[source]
Because the military and war is like putting a society in a pressure cooker. Nothing good comes out of it.

We have been told in most stories that this is a time when people come together and stand up but this is really propaganda.

The reality is most people go a little bit crazy and paranoid in these situation. Understandably.

For example, friendly fires have always been very much under reported. Can you imagine what it lead too when an army is already a bit suspicious of each other?

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jijijijij ◴[] No.46181913[source]
Dude, it's kids. Their mind isn't set in stone, their opinions aren't very founded. Basic military service also includes ethical/political education. People are not getting packed into trenches yet, it's not prison. If anything, this is going to help tensions in society. They will share rooms, showers, dirt and sweat. We're all the same. Nothing has been shown more effective at tearing down prejudices than actual exposure and confrontation.
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hulitu ◴[] No.46183507[source]
> People are not getting packed into trenches yet, it's not prison

Yet. And no it is not prison. Is forced labour and death so that some assholes make more profit.

Did you notice that every "patriot" who says "we will defend our country" never goes on the front line ? The same with their children.

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1. _bernd ◴[] No.46183943[source]
In case you missed the details.

The current law from Friday states:

- every young adult get information material about the Musterung

- everyone is free to go there and free to go to do the basic training

- just in case we will have to few volunteers then the state can at first force everyone to go to the evaluation as it was before - if we will have to few recruits then next step is a loot box system

- then and only then the state can force you. But this has also limits as we are still in Germany

Yes it was a shitty move by Merz to not involve the actual effected generation but I would have expected a far much worst law then this.