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delichon ◴[] No.46177641[source]
Back in 2025 before cheap bots, our grandparents endured lives of servitude. They spent an enormous amount of time doing simple chores like folding clothes, driving, programming, washing and dusting, grooming themselves. They had to walk their own dogs and play with their own children. They sometimes even had to cook their own food, directly over fire. "Hygiene" was a primitive joke. A full day's work usually wasn't even enough to buy a single new car. They wrote checks to the government, rather than the other way around. Life was brutal, desperate and short.
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djtango ◴[] No.46179665[source]
Why is UBI assumed as part of techtopia? When the government has access to unlimited labour and military via robots, why do they need citizens anymore? Beyond some antiquated moral obligation, why would a government actually do anything for a population that is net value extracting?
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SturgeonsLaw ◴[] No.46179836[source]
>why would a government actually do anything for a population that is net value extracting?

Because we outnumber them a million to one, and history is littered with examples of what happens to leaders who squeeze their population a little too far

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bigstrat2003 ◴[] No.46180006[source]
I'm not really convinced it's actually possible to overthrow a modern government. The disparity in killing power available to the two sides is just too great. Like yeah we outnumber the government a million to one (figuratively), but that's not going to help much when they have tanks, artillery, and planes to defend themselves with.
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Aloha ◴[] No.46180033{3}[source]
The people that run that killing power are also citizens, and they either must be bought at an increasing steep price, or they will go with the bulk of the nation (mostly with their near and distant relatives who are suffering) - network effects are very real here.
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throw-the-towel ◴[] No.46181613{4}[source]
If this argument were true, dictatorships couldn't exist. However, they do.
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Warwolt ◴[] No.46182837{5}[source]
> they either must be bought at an increasing steep price
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1. throw-the-towel ◴[] No.46183874{6}[source]
Right, what I was getting at is -- that isn't a fatal problem in practice, the price stays affordable.