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theoldgreybeard ◴[] No.46182214[source]
If a carpenter builds a crappy shelf “because” his power tools are not calibrated correctly - that’s a crappy carpenter, not a crappy tool.

If a scientist uses an LLM to write a paper with fabricated citations - that’s a crappy scientist.

AI is not the problem, laziness and negligence is. There needs to be serious social consequences to this kind of thing, otherwise we are tacitly endorsing it.

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TomatoCo ◴[] No.46182334[source]
To continue the carpenter analogy, the issue with LLMs is that the shelf looks great but is structurally unsound. That it looks good on surface inspection makes it harder to tell that the person making it had no idea what they're doing.
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embedding-shape ◴[] No.46182418[source]
Regardless, if a carpenter is not validating their work before selling it, it's the same as if a researcher doesn't validate their citations before publishing. Neither of them have any excuses, and one isn't harder to detect than the other. It's just straight up laziness regardless.
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judofyr ◴[] No.46182550[source]
I think this is a bit unfair. The carpenters are (1) living in world where there’s an extreme focus on delivering as quicklyas possible, (2) being presented with a tool which is promised by prominent figures to be amazing, and (3) the tool is given at a low cost due to being subsidized.

And yet, we’re not supposed to criticize the tool or its makers? Clearly there’s more problems in this world than «lazy carpenters»?

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SauntSolaire ◴[] No.46182776[source]
Yes, that's what it means to be a professional, you take responsibility for the quality of your work.
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peppersghost93 ◴[] No.46182881[source]
It's a shame the slop generators don't ever have to take responsibility for the trash they've produced.
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SauntSolaire ◴[] No.46183064[source]
That's beside the point. While there may be many reasonable critiques of AI, none of them reduce the responsibilities of scientist.
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peppersghost93 ◴[] No.46183133[source]
Yeah this is a prime example of what I'm talking about. AI's produce trash and it's everyone else's problem to deal with.
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SauntSolaire ◴[] No.46183242[source]
Yes, it's the scientists problem to deal with it - that's the choice they made when they decided to use AI for their work. Again, this is what responsibility means.
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1. peppersghost93 ◴[] No.46183460[source]
This inspires me to make horrible products and shift the blame to the end user for the product being horrible in the first place. I can't take any blame for anything because I didn't force them to use it.