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ChrisMarshallNY ◴[] No.46178756[source]
I think we’re just getting started, with fake images and videos.

I suspect that people will be killed, because of outrage over fake stuff. Before the Ukraine invasion, some of the folks in Donbas made a fake bomb, complete with corpses from a morgue (with autopsy scars)[0]. That didn’t require any AI at all.

We can expect videos of unpopular minorities, doing horrible things, politicians saying stuff they never said, and evidence submitted to trial, that was completely made from whole cloth.

It’s gonna suck.

[0] https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2022/02/28/exploiting-cadave...

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oefrha ◴[] No.46179779[source]
> We can expect videos of unpopular minorities, doing horrible things

Expect? You can post a random image of an unpopular minority, add some caption saying they did horrible things, that is not reflected in the image at all, and tons of people will pile on. Don’t even need a fake video.

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yakshaving_jgt ◴[] No.46179859[source]
For some reason this hurts worse.

I was listening to James O’Brien on LBC, and [IIRC] he said he was serving jury duty with a woman who was convinced that Volodymyr Zelenskyy had spent hundreds of million of dollars on a super-yacht.

He asked if she had any evidence for that claim, and she produced a picture of a boat.

He said “That’s just a picture of a boat.”

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groestl ◴[] No.46179990[source]
Ironically, there is no evidence that woman ever said that.
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anonymous908213 ◴[] No.46180126[source]
There is, in fact, evidence that hundreds if not thousands of random people have said that: https://xcancel.com/KimDotcom/status/1729171832430027144

Perhaps you could even find that specific woman leaving an outraged comment over photos of boats if you looked hard enough!

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groestl ◴[] No.46180362{3}[source]
Yes, but in that story, parent only has the word of that Journalist. I personally don't even have that, I only have a post about it.

My deeper point is that it's arguably very difficult to establish a global, socially acceptable lower threshold of trust. Parent's level is, apparently, the word of a famous Journalist in a radio broadcast. For some, the form of a message alone makes the message worthy of trust, and AI will mess with this so much.

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jasonvorhe ◴[] No.46180438{4}[source]
Who cares about a single or two Yachts. Ukraine likely made 100 billion USD disappear and there were many people expecting just that. Just like some of the "donated equipment" started showing up on all sorts of black markets once it was shipped to Ukraine. It's just the obviously controlled media in Europe that stopped mentioning Ukraine's corruption issues right after February 2022.

Obviously I can only be a Putin-loving propaganda bot for saying such things.

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matthewmacleod ◴[] No.46180558{5}[source]
Everybody is aware the Ukraine has major corruption issues. It is frequently covered in the media and is common knowledge.

I have no doubt however that Europe (and hopefully the wider world) is less worried about that corruption than they are about Russian military aggression. And there will be some level of media focus on that – rightly so, where the focus should be on grinding the Russian kleptostate into dust as quickly and thoroughly as possible.

You're not a propaganda bot; you're just making their lives easier.

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jasonvorhe ◴[] No.46180650{6}[source]
If you're happy with your tax euros disappearing in Ukraine, good for you.

I know for a fact via family ties that major newsrooms in Germany received instructions to tune out the corruption angle once the war started. I'm sure it's all nothing though and that Putin will find himself in Poland next year. Of course!

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vasco ◴[] No.46180794{7}[source]
What's your point though? There's corruption in Ukraine. Ok.

There's corruption in your country too, do you refuse to pay taxes? Or do you still pay them because some good comes with the little bad? Same deal.

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jasonvorhe ◴[] No.46180978{8}[source]
If sending hundreds of billions of tax payer money to a known oligarch run cleptocracy is comparable to some German conservative party affiliate making a couple of millions using shady COVID mask deals is comparable to you, I rest my case.

It's all corruption in the end so who cares, right?

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1. rwmj ◴[] No.46181016{9}[source]
Two things can be true at the same time - we don't want Russia to absorb Ukraine and then further threaten the eastern border of the EU, and we don't want Ukraine to be corrupt.
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2. johannes1234321 ◴[] No.46181072[source]
And in the Ukraine we see that the corruption is uncovered punished, even if it is in the direct circles of the president.

There are problems in uncovering it, but the attempt to get rid of corruption is a big factor in the whole situation and one of the things Russia fears.

For Russia a corrupt system was a lot simpler to influence and Ukraine showing how a partially Russian speaking country, where people moved back and forth, fighting corruption was a threat to the system.