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SubiculumCode ◴[] No.46174850[source]
Why was it that in the early PC days, IBM was unable to keep a lid on 'IBM compatible', allowing for the PC interoperability explosion, yet today, almost every phone has closed drivers, closed and locked bootloaders, and almost complete corporate control over our devices? Why are there not yet a plethora of phones on the market that allow anyone to install their OS of choice?
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mattmaroon ◴[] No.46175178[source]
The only thing proprietary in the early PC architecture was the BIOS. Everything else was pre-existing architecture from third parties, there was nothing to keep a lid on.

Since a PC was a big box of parts anyone could manufacture one. A modern phone is much more complicated.

As to why there aren’t a plethora: the market doesn’t demand it that much. The people doing it aren’t wildly successful. Perhaps that’s changing (I hope so) but I know very few people outside this community who have ever thought “I wish I could have a third party version of Android”.

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mcny ◴[] No.46175402[source]
Even the batteries are not interchangeable on phones. You'd think all phones should have the same exact battery, that this kind of standardization is beneficial for phone manufacturers as it helps them bargain with their parts suppliers but no for whatever reason we can't have that.

Edit: I am not saying just user replaceable. I mean standardized so the same cells in a 2024 phone also works on 2025...

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Bratmon ◴[] No.46176962[source]
Why, of all parts on a phone, would you expect the battery to be the one that's already good enough that it should never need to be upgraded?

"Battery capacity" is like the one thing phone manufacturers still try to improve.

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mcny ◴[] No.46179504{3}[source]
The interfaces and the external dimensions can remain the same even as the internals change though, right? And you can have more or fewer cells. The cells don't have to be cylinders, either. They can be flat.
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1. akvadrako ◴[] No.46179977{4}[source]
They are usually shaped to fit in exactly the space available to maximize capacity. Standard cell sizes wastes space.

Besides it's pretty easy to get custom battery pouches made.

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2. mcny ◴[] No.46180082[source]
Who will make these custom battery pouches for old phones though? Think my old Poco x3 pro, not the iPhone 17. I am sure there are tons of people willing to make batteries for the iPhone 17 but I feel like the interest wanes as the phone gets older?

For older phones, the batteries we buy are likely also old stock left over if we can find some in stock anyway, right?