The past was not that cute

Nowadays we (UK) have a notion called "fuel poverty" which is formally defined (1) It is similar to the more generic notion of energy poverty. Basically, if spending out on fuel for heating takes a household below the official poverty line, then that is considered fuel poverty.

I'm old enough to remember houses without any form of central heating - mostly farms and cottages but even modernish town houses of the 70s/80s might be a bit remiss on the modern touches. I'm 55 so born 1970. My family lived in at least one house with an out-house bog (toilet) - it got a bit nippy (cold) in winter. If you had to use it then piss first to break the ice and then go in for a dump!

My mum was a Devonshire (Stoke Fleming, nr Dartmouth) farm girl and one anecdote she had was visiting another farm that even her parents considered a bit old school. The bog in the other farm was situated above a shippon - ie where cows are kept. The house adjoined the shippon and a fancy modern "indoor" bog had been built by bashing a hole through an exterior wall and an extension added over the shippon. It even had a sink to wash your hands - which was from a rain capture tank ... . The floorboards were a bit sketchy and apparently you could end up nearly eye to eye with the bull, whilst sat on the throne.

OK, back to fuel poverty and the old days not being cute. My mum's anecdote would probably be considered laughable to an Elizabethan (not QEII - QEI).

The world spins and we move on. I can remember being seriously cold in a house and basically wearing a lot more clothing and having a lot of blankets and later a hefty TOG rated duvet on my bed.

I think I prefer progress but don't think of the past as somehow regressive.

(1) https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/fuel-poverty-stati...

It's sad how the UK government has impoverished its people through a bizarre and misguided pursuit of "Net Zero".

Our high energy costs are far more complicated than that.

It's so weird how people in the UK blame their economic woes on renewables and not the fact that they sanctioned themselves against their main trading partners with Brexit.

Like, what were you expecting? Breaking out of the EU (a primarily economic union) results in economic problems. Import controls requires stopping incoming trucks (sorry, incoming lorries) and that requires building major truck stop to avoid backups, and it increases shipping costs on everything. You(r govt) didn't build the truck stops, didn't set up any sort of plan until after the import controls went into effect, and were somehow surprised that putting up a trade barrier resulted in less trade, and a resulting economic slowdown.

I'm not a fan of Brexit but it is what it is.

I doubt that you are really a fan of all things EU but I am with you on unity being important and I absolutely agree we fucked up that one. I'm pretty sure we mildly screwed our economy from day one of Brexit - simply by inviting mutual tariffs for a smaller entity and losing the unified border.

However: I'm old enough (55) to remember quite a lot of EU history. Do you recall or have been told about wine lakes and butter and grain mountains?