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As usual, there are countless immigration topics and I'll be guided by whatever you're concerned with. Please remember that I can't provide legal advice on specific cases for obvious liability reasons because I won't have access to all the facts. Please stick to a factual discussion in your questions and comments and I'll do the same in my answers!

Previous threads we've done: https://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=proberts.

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miotintherain ◴[] No.46163747[source]
Hi Peter, thanks for the AMA!

I work for an American company and I am based in Europe. I visit the US for work every now and then. I heard a lot of horror stories regarding border entries. If I am ever in a situation where the border police asks for access to my personal phone and pin code, what are my options? Can I refuse and what happens then?

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stevenwoo ◴[] No.46164511[source]
Border Patrol can wait longer than you want to wait at the airport, you should not bring your personal phone if you don't want them going through all the contents, they can hold your device for an inconvenient amount of time if you are an American citizen. If you say no and are not an American citizen you can be denied entry at the airport and sent home.
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fsckboy ◴[] No.46171219[source]
>you should not bring your personal phone if you don't want them going through all the contents

isn't the right move here: wipe your phone, travel to destination, then restore from cloud backup? in the middle, you can let them inspect your wiped phone.

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nerdsniper ◴[] No.46172573[source]
For non-citizens, there's not really any law against them installing malware on your phone which could persist through a factory reset. Though I've not heard of such malware for flagship phones.
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lrvick ◴[] No.46172670[source]
I have heard of malware like this, and engineers that found it at Google were instructed by higher ups to ignore it and never talk about it without explanation.

Good luck getting anyone close to this to go on the record about it though given such things normally come with corporate or government gag orders.

There are hundreds of privileged vendor binary blobs on most flagship devices not even Google gets source code to though so supply chain attacks should be assumed.

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1. monerozcash ◴[] No.46172854{3}[source]
I think this is broadly not true.

Sure, the NSA can probably pull this off. Thing is, the NSA probably does not need to do this at immigration.

I seriously doubt that this is a realistic problem if your threat model is anything less than "The NSA is very interested in me". In that case I don't see how you could trust any phone, regardless of it having been in the hands of border officials or not.