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jmathai ◴[] No.46000348[source]
I do think Covid forced people to ask questions they hadn’t before.

We have sent our kids to private, poor quality and top rated schools.

We saw a stark difference between the poor quality and higher cost options. No surprise.

But the reason we are considering home schooling our younger kids was surprising. It says something about a system dedicated to teaching children when parents think they can do as well or better.

That’s just education. The social situation in schools is ludicrous. Phones, social media, etc. what a terrible environment we adults have created for kids to learn both educationally and socially.

Home schooling has answers for ALL of that.

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rich_sasha ◴[] No.46001520[source]
I suppose there are few talented, hard working people who want to teach, and they command a premium. Education is expensive and underfunded.

As a parent/carer you probably are much more motivated than an underpaid teacher who wanted to do something else anyway, and you don't have to motivate yourself with money.

By extension, IME, motivated and talented teachers in any school (good or bad) can do wonders. There just aren't that many. And as you say, school environment tends to be a race to the bottom - if Johnny can watch Tiktok during maths, I'll do the same.

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rahimnathwani ◴[] No.46007623[source]

  Education is expensive and underfunded.
Expensive yes. Underfunded depends on where you are.

San Francisco's school district has an annual operating budget that equates to $28k per student.

I've heard people in San Francisco say that schools here are underfunded. When I ask them how much we spend per student per year, their guess is usually less than half of the actual amount.

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mmcclure ◴[] No.46008959[source]
Are you saying that's a lot or a little? Tuition for most (non-religious) competitive private schools in San Francisco is easily twice that amount.
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rahimnathwani ◴[] No.46009095[source]
I'm saying it's a lot. See my other comment here for my reasoning:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46008035

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mmcclure ◴[] No.46009221[source]
I think your reasoning is flawed, but fine...if the goal is to try and have the cheapest possible one room school house. That $200k gets eaten up pretty quick by things like security, janitorial, building maintenance, support staff like principals, librarians, guidance counselors etc etc. If you’re meaning to include total cost for the full time employees (the teachers) in the list, then the salaries are a lot less attractive once you’re done covering benefits, etc.

I've got multiple kids, so I'll admit I think about schools here a lot. The absolute cheapest private schools I've seen in San Francisco are subsidized by religious institutions. The tuition for those schools per child is roughly $28k. Non religious private schools usually start in the $40k range and can easily get into the $50s and well beyond.

My point is that it's hard to point at some issue of inefficient public bureaucracy, because clearly private institutions aren't able to do it any cheaper. I would also argue they wouldn't try, because their goal is a good education, or at least better than the public alternative (that only spends $28k per kid).

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zaphar ◴[] No.46009469{3}[source]
If the religious institution does a better job at roughly the same cost-point then it's probably not the money that is making the difference.
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lazyasciiart ◴[] No.46009884{4}[source]
No, it’s the selection process of parents and children.
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mmcclure ◴[] No.46010253{5}[source]
And, it's worth noting, the uh...deselection process. Private schools can kick kids out, public schools cannot.
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1. rahimnathwani ◴[] No.46010534{6}[source]
Public schools can't legally kick kids out, but SFUSD has shown it can drive parents away.