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Are you stuck in movie logic?

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ekjhgkejhgk ◴[] No.45956424[source]
I completely agree with the point, and I've made the same point myself.

However, I think "good will hunting" is a bad example.

> “I feel like you have a tremendous amount of intellectual potential that you’re wasting here — why are you getting in fights rather than trying to do something interesting?”

There is a scene where they have this conversation without words. Robin Williams is asking him without spelling it out and Matt Damon understands what the question is and dances around it. They both know what they're talking about even if they don't put it into words. In the case of this specific movie the problem isn't communication, it's just that the main character is incapable of dealing with things inside him that he doesn't understand (aka "emotionally immature"). (well, that was my interpretation anyway).

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pdpi ◴[] No.45960692[source]
I’d go as far as to say that Good Will Hunting is a pretty good example of writers getting it right. The equivocation and miscommunication isn't a plot device to conjure up conflict from thin air. That sort of avoidant behaviour is a classic malaptive coping mechanism in highly intelligent victim of abuse. Communication with Will fails not because people aren’t willing to speak plainly to him, but because he’s too emotionally bruised and battered to handle that communication, and he’s _way_ too clever for his own good, so he runs circles around the people trying to have those conversations with him. Sean’s successes come from being patient and not letting Will bait him.
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ekjhgkejhgk ◴[] No.45964652[source]
Yup, good point.

I have a line that I haven't used in a long time which I crafted for a different scenario but applies here. Which is that: Very intelligent people are very good at rationally defending positions that they've arrived at for unrational reasons.

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1. hattmall ◴[] No.45966915[source]
Damn, that is a good line.
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2. ekjhgkejhgk ◴[] No.45969366[source]
Thank you, I like it a lot too.

I was trying to understand why I stopped using it. I think it's because it's not really actionable. The best you can do with it is understand what might contribute to a certain situation/behavior. If you tell it to a person to whom it applies, they'll just keep creating new arguments to support their position. And it's not a good way of arguing anyway. It's not a real argument, it's closer to an ad hominem. It's not persuasive to the person to whom it applies, though it might be persuasive when told to a third person.

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3. BizarroLand ◴[] No.45972505[source]
It goes hand in hand with the saying that "you can't reason yourself out of a position you didn't reason yourself into".

Most people don't reason themselves into maladaptiveness, and it takes substantial effort to not only identify the cycle but also to break it.

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4. vacuity ◴[] No.46099219{3}[source]
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=603826
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5. BizarroLand ◴[] No.46114195{4}[source]
That's rationalize, not reason.
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6. vacuity ◴[] No.46136455{5}[source]
You don't seem to be making a meaningful distinction. Moreover, both words have been used in this thread.