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A graph explorer of the Epstein emails

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theultdev ◴[] No.45958255[source]
This is the best rendition I've seen so far.

The Bill Clinton entity is interesting.

> 2009: Bill Clinton discontinued association with Jeffrey Epstein

> 2010: Jeffrey Epstein provided flights on jets to Bill Clinton

> 2010-2011: Jeffrey Epstein traveled via private aircraft with Bill Clinton

> 2011: Ghislaine Maxwell piloted helicopter for Bill Clinton

> 2014: Bill Clinton alleged presence at sex parties

> 2015: Bill Clinton distanced relationship from Jeffrey Epstein

Wasn't very good at discontinuing the relationship it seems.

Guess there is precedent for him lying about sexual activities though.

I think a sentiment analysis between the friendliness and social meetups between Epstein and other individuals would be useful.

Who were his friends after 2008 when he was first convicted?

Those who were still friends with him after 2008 were in on it or guilty by association, if not legally, socially.

Friends like Reid Hoffman and Larry Summers...

> From: Reid Hoffman

> Sent: 7/6/2015 5:04:31 PM

> To: jeffrey E. [jeeyacation@gmail.com]

> Subject: RE: ICYMI

> slow progress.

> planning to see you in August.

> Hope you're well.

Larry Summers has too many to list. Doesn't look good though digging through them.

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tinyplanets[dead post] ◴[] No.45958665[source]
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theultdev ◴[] No.45958685[source]
Of course, deflect discussion to Trump. Does that make any of those other people look better to you?

Trump gave information against Epstein in 2009 and unlike Bill and others did cut ties after learning he was poaching girls from Mar-a-Lago.

I specifically made the point to look into those who were friends with Epstein even after knowing what he was doing.

Nice whataboutism though. Feel free to reference source materials to support your claims.

Btw are you a bot or is that just a canned statement you use?

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sanktanglia ◴[] No.45958762[source]
Trump was with Epstein in 2017, he didn't cut ties at all
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theultdev ◴[] No.45958786[source]
That's a lie that has already been proven false since Trump's entire trip was documented.

Love how we have actual evidence against people but discussions always devolve into some conspiracy related to Trump.

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Based on the available evidence, there is no confirmed meeting between Trump and Epstein in 2017. While both men were in Palm Beach during Thanksgiving week 2017, there is no direct evidence they met.

Here's what we know about their presence in Palm Beach that week:

- Trump was at Mar-a-Lago from November 21-26, 2017

- Epstein owned a mansion in Palm Beach and was known to be in the area

- Epstein mentioned both Trump and himself being "down there" (Palm Beach) in an email exchange on November 23, 2017

While there were claims circulating online that Trump spent Thanksgiving with Epstein in 2017, these claims have been thoroughly investigated and found to be unsubstantiated

Trump's official calendar for that week shows his activities included:

- Thanking military members on a virtual call

- Visiting Coast Guard members at Lake Worth Inlet Station

- Playing golf with Tiger Woods and Dustin Johnson

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culi ◴[] No.45959430[source]
Even if Trump cut off ties with Epstein in 2017, he should clearly be held accountable for his past actions. Here's 2 pretty damning emails:

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Epstein to Maxwell 2011-04-02

> i want you to realize that that dog that hasn’t barked is trump... [VICTIM] spent hours at my house with him ,, he has never once been mentioned. police chief. etc. im 75% there

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Epstein to Ruemmler 2018-08-23

> you see, i know how dirty donald is. my guess is that non lawyers ny biz people have no idea. what it means to have your fixer flip

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theultdev[dead post] ◴[] No.45959532[source]
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pohl ◴[] No.45960337[source]
Could you explain how “no confirmed meeting” implies “they never met”?
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theultdev ◴[] No.45960665[source]
You think he snuck out from secret service and had an off-the-book thanksgiving with a pedo?

I'm saying there's no direct evidence he did and on face value it's ridiculous.

He was meeting the troops and golfing with Tiger Woods and happened to be in the same state Epstein had a house in.

Have any evidence otherwise, or just conspiracy theories?

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pohl ◴[] No.45964897[source]
With any other administration I would have granted you that leap in logic, but we already learned, three years ago, from Stephanie Grisham that he held off the books meetings specifically to circumvent record keeping laws. So I think a slightly higher standard of evidence is needed before we dismiss the possibility that he met with the pedo who likely had dirt on him.
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1. theultdev ◴[] No.45966584[source]
You have the standard of evidence reversed.

You need to prove what you're accusing him of, not the other way around.

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2. pohl ◴[] No.45966658[source]
Sounds like you’re assuming that standards for charges/trial should also be used as standards for inquiry/investigation. That is not the case.
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3. theultdev ◴[] No.45967396[source]
By all means investigate away on the thanksgiving email, you will find nothing as nothing exists.

Choosing resources to investigate hearsay that is easily disproven is a waste of time though when you have actual evidence of direct correspondence.

Noone is falling for this crap anymore btw. The Trump smear stuff doesn't work as everyone cried wolf too many times.

Very telling you spend this much energy on a silly email talking about Trump vs people who actually talked and met with Epstein.

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4. pohl ◴[] No.45967680{3}[source]
Are you Donald? How can you be certain that nothing exists?
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5. theultdev ◴[] No.45968267{4}[source]
> Epstein and pohl are down here in Florida

Wow that's damning pohl, prove you weren't with him.

Even if you provide detailed logs of your whereabouts, that won't be enough because I assume you're lying.

Hearsay is a bitch isn't it.