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baklavaEmperor ◴[17 Nov 25 20:30 UTC] No.45957934[source]▶
What’s striking is how often these ‘small’ surveillance tech stories trace back to the same state-aligned ecosystem. When Israel does it, it’s treated as a complex security issue. When another ‘bad’ country does the same thing, we immediately call it espionage. And almost on cue, the discussion drifts anywhere except the uncomfortable fact that it’s the same ecosystem from the same country showing up again.
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FridayoLeary[dead post] ◴[18 Nov 25 00:12 UTC] No.45959956[source]▶
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1. rzk ◴[18 Nov 25 01:58 UTC] No.45960542[source]▶
> Israel as a country is aligned with Western values

Western values include, among other things, a commitment to equality and human rights, not apartheid[1] and genocide[2].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_apartheid

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_genocide

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2. Kab1r ◴[18 Nov 25 02:29 UTC] No.45960739[source]▶
As opposed to the rest of the world who believe you must let yourself be murdered /s
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3. rzk ◴[18 Nov 25 02:32 UTC] No.45960764[source]▶
> a wikipedia page on Western values

Here you go: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_values

Since the wikipedia page also mentions individual liberty and rule of law, let me also link to this topic:

Arrest and detention of Palestinian minors by Israel — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrest_and_detention_of_Palest...

4. gatlin ◴[18 Nov 25 04:02 UTC] No.45961239[source]▶
You're right - Palestinians don't deserve to be murdered by people who don't like them.
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5. Protostome ◴[18 Nov 25 10:09 UTC] No.45963301{3}[source]▶
They murdered primarily by Hamas, either directly or indirectly by their war tactics that prioritize civilian casualties.
6. FridayoLeary ◴[18 Nov 25 10:26 UTC] No.45963398{3}[source]▶
That certainly seems to be their attitude. If israel had listened to all of the advice from Britain and France it may well have been 60k Israelis dead. Imagine how many palestinians would have died. Nobody here is arguing against israel in good faith. If anyone had genuinely cared about the palestinians they would have put massive pressure on Hamas and put their full support behind a quick and brutal campaign. What would have happened? A 2 month long war and 20k dead max.