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Aurornis ◴[] No.45955140[source]
I have yet to read an article complaining about XSLT deprecation from someone who can explain why they actually used it and why it’s important to them.

> I will keep using XSLT, and in fact will look for new opportunities to rely on it.

This is the closest I’ve seen, but it’s not an explanation of why it was important before the deprecation. It’s a declaration that they’re using it as an act of rebellion.

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Fileformat ◴[] No.45956141[source]
Making RSS/Atom feeds friendly to new users is key for its adoption, and for the open web. XSLT is the best way to do that.

I made a website to promote doing using XSLT for RSS/Atom feeds. Look at the before/after screenshots: which one will scare off a non-techie user?

https://www.rss.style/

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shadowgovt ◴[] No.45956453[source]
RSS and Atom feeds are at this point a solution looking for a problem.

I use RSS all the time... To keep up-to-date on podcasts. But for keeping up to date on news, people use social media. RSS isn't the missing piece of the puzzle for changing that, an app on top of RSS is. And in the absence of Reader, nothing has shown up to fill that role that can compete with just trading gossip on Facebook.

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basscomm ◴[] No.45958260[source]
> But for keeping up to date on news, people use social media. RSS isn't the missing piece of the puzzle for changing that, an app on top of RSS is. And in the absence of Reader, nothing has shown up to fill that role that can compete with just trading gossip on Facebook.

I guess if you don't use social media or facebook you're out of luck?

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shadowgovt ◴[] No.45958483[source]
I don't see why. You can always subscribe to a newspaper. Or just use RSS and a subscription tool since it didn't just go away.

What I'm saying, though, is if you don't use social media at this point you're already an outlier (I am, it should be noted, using the term broadly: you are using social media. Right now. Hacker News is in the same category as Facebook, Twitter, Mastodon, et. al. in this context: it's a place you go to get information instead of using a collection of RSS feeds, and I think the reason people do this instead of that may be instructive as to the ultimate fate of RSS for that use-case).

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basscomm ◴[] No.45958631[source]
> You can always subscribe to a newspaper.

The circulation for my local newspaper is so small that they now get printed at a press a hundred miles away and are shipped in every morning to the handful of subscribers who are left. I don't even know the last time I saw a physical newspaper in person.

> Hacker News... it's a place you go to get information instead of using a collection of RSS feeds

No, it's a place I go to _in addition_ to RSS feeds. An anonymous news aggregator with web forum attached isn't really social media. Maybe some people hang out here to socialize, but that's not a use case for me

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1. shadowgovt ◴[] No.45958682[source]
The relevant use case is you come here to see links people share and comment on them. That's sufficiently "social" in this context.

Contrasting the other use case you dabble in (that makes you an outlier) of pulling content from specific sources (I'm going to assume generating original content, not themselves link aggregators, otherwise this topic is moot) via RSS. Most people see that as redundant if they have access to something like HN, or Fark, or Reddit, or Facebook. RSS readers alone, in general, don't let you share your thoughts with other people reading the article, so it's not as popular a tool.

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2. basscomm ◴[] No.45959271[source]
> The relevant use case is you come here to see links people share and comment on them. That's sufficiently "social" in this context.

Just having users submit links that other users can comment on doesn't make it social media. I can't follow particular users or topics, I can't leave myself a note about some user that I've had a positive or negative experience with, I can't ignore someone who I don't want to read, etc. Heck, usernames are so de-emphasized on this site that I almost always forget that they're there.

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3. shadowgovt ◴[] No.45959384[source]
A rose by any other name. If you'd prefer I'd have said

"But for keeping up to date on news, people use link aggregation boards where other users post links to stuff on the web and then talk to each other about them. RSS isn't the missing piece of the puzzle for changing that, an app on top of RSS is. And in the absence of Reader, nothing has shown up to fill that role that can compete with just trading gossip on Hacker News."

... that would be the same point. RSS, by itself, is a protocol for finding out some site created new content and is just not particularly compelling by itself for the average user when they can use "link aggregation boards where other users post links to stuff on the web and then talk to each othe about them" instead.

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4. righthand ◴[] No.45959686{3}[source]
Do you work for one of the companies involved deprecating Xslt?
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5. shadowgovt ◴[] No.45960272{4}[source]
I do not. Why do you ask?