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Israeli-founded app preloaded on Samsung phones is attracting controversy

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hersko ◴[17 Nov 25 17:14 UTC] No.45955639[source]▶
So a Unity owned bloatware company being used by Samsung is now somehow controversial because it was founded in Israel? Am i reading this right?
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MomsAVoxell ◴[17 Nov 25 19:33 UTC] No.45957250[source]▶
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vladgur[dead post] ◴[17 Nov 25 19:45 UTC] No.45957404[source]▶
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potatototoo99 ◴[17 Nov 25 20:02 UTC] No.45957600[source]▶
It wasn't a targeted attack since they had no way of knowing where the pagers would end up in the second-hand market, as they were only activated years later.
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thenaturalist[dead post] ◴[17 Nov 25 20:06 UTC] No.45957647[source]▶
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themafia ◴[17 Nov 25 20:11 UTC] No.45957716[source]▶
> You’re telling me pagers used by a terrorist organization ending up in the second-hand market.

Four children were killed and dozens of _innocent_ bystanders were injured.

> What do you know about Lebanon and Hezbollah?

It's a conflict that's been going on for 30 years that I can remember and I don't think that more kinetic operations are going to accomplish anything other than fomenting an actual genocide.

Did you think gatekeeping was going to work? This conflict has spilled out into the broader world. If it were strictly contained to Lebanon and only implicated Hezbollah then you might have a point. We're well past that.

> How do people end up making such unfounded, unbiased claims so confidently??

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/18/world/middleeast/israel-e...

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dralley ◴[17 Nov 25 20:17 UTC] No.45957794[source]▶
>Four children were killed and dozens of _innocent_ bystanders were injured.

Compared to thousands of Hezbollah members. Literally one of the most targeted large-scale attacks of all time. There are effectively zero other military means that would have been even close to as selective and discriminant. Would you prefer they drop a 500lb bomb on each of their houses instead?

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monocasa ◴[17 Nov 25 20:26 UTC] No.45957874{6}[source]▶
The pagers killed a total of twelve people; which included four children.

That's a pretty awful ratio.

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dralley ◴[17 Nov 25 20:29 UTC] No.45957922{8}[source]▶
The pager detonations were weak enough to be effectively nonlethal unless you're especially vulnerable. That's how you end up with such a low death to injury ratio in the first place.

So per the KPI metric you've chosen, making it more lethal and more dangerous to bystanders would have been better.

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1. monocasa ◴[17 Nov 25 21:39 UTC] No.45958650{8}[source]▶
Even among the injuries, you're still looking at an awful ratio, since Hezbollah had mostly migrated these devices out of their combatants in favor of newer models, and they were mainly in the hands of civilians.

And all of this is ignoring the blatant international law violation against booby trapping. This was very clearly a war crime.

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2. MomsAVoxell ◴[17 Nov 25 22:33 UTC] No.45959172[source]▶
For future reference, the specific articles:

Common Article 3; GC I Art. 12 & 18; GC III Art. 13; GC IV Arts. 27, 32 & 51; AP I Arts. 48, 51(2–5), 57 & 54; CCW Amended Protocol II Art. 7(2) of the Geneva Conventions.