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LeoPanthera ◴[] No.45951240[source]
I have an 11" iPad and the screen still feels too small to use windowed apps. It gets very cramped very quickly.

I can't imagine trying to do that on an iPhone. Surely it's useless.

What this does do is reveal the fiction that "iPadOS" and "iOS" are separate. Clearly not.

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rock_artist ◴[] No.45951318[source]
It might not be super practical on the device display. But with external display and keyboard/mouse this becomes much more usable.
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650REDHAIR ◴[] No.45951376[source]
Honestly a dex competitor would really help keep me in the Apple ecosystem.
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wjnc ◴[] No.45951648[source]
With the power of M-chips, this would cannabalize MacBooks via iPad Air / Pro. They are sitting on a golden cash flow and not willing to revolutionize computing again (as the iPhone did).

Just as a N=1, I would rather pay a recurring fee in the Disney-Netflix range to Apple to get more liberty in usage from my machines. But I think they don’t dare to go those routes, because they need the broad market base and cannot extract the current cash flow from a smaller base, while setting expectations that the Googles, Samsungs can copy.

Industry leaders dilemma. Apple currently settles on market differentiation via physical products.

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mschuster91 ◴[] No.45951734[source]
> With the power of M-chips, this would cannabalize MacBooks via iPad Air / Pro.

Only for the truly low end. The thermals alone are a serious difference, you can't expect an iPad-class device to support the same power dissipation as a legit MacBook.

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close04 ◴[] No.45951888[source]
The MacBook Air is a legit MacBook and not that much heftier than the iPad. With how powerful and efficient M chips are, they could work out just fine for a lot of people despite the more constrained thermals.

They're not doing it today because current Apple leadership doesn't have the same incisiveness as the one back when they were sacrificing their most successful product on the iPhone altar so the competition can't. And to be fair, Apple has a much stronger position with a wider moat then they did back then. So they can afford to give more time to the competition to compete.

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mschuster91 ◴[] No.45952028[source]
> They're not doing it today because current Apple leadership doesn't have the same incisiveness as the one back when they were sacrificing their most successful product on the iPhone altar so the competition can't.

Apple wouldn't just sacrifice the entry-level MacBook product category and I'm not even sure about that - the look-and-feel of a "display with attached keyboard" (i.e. Thinkpax X1 Tablet-style) is vastly different from a bottom-heavy Macbook with actual hinges. The former isn't really usable as a literal laptop unless you got some seriously long upper legs.

The more important thing that Apple would have to sacrifice is the App Store cash cow and users not having root rights. On a iPad or iPhone I'm willing to accept that, but on a machine I actually want to do work? No way in hell.

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Topfi ◴[] No.45952124[source]
> Apple wouldn't just sacrifice the entry-level MacBook product category and I'm not even sure about that - the look-and-feel of a "display with attached keyboard" (i.e. Thinkpax X1 Tablet-style) is vastly different from a bottom-heavy Macbook with actual hinges. The former isn't really usable as a literal laptop unless you got some seriously long upper legs.

The iPad Pro with Magic Keyboard is just that and in my personal experience does very well even on shorter legs due to its weight distribution. Were Apple to go down the route of actually enabling Xcode, etc. on iPads, they'd likely invest a bit more into the ergonomics of course, but they are already there and not comparable to Lenovos efforts in that regard.

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ChrisMarshallNY ◴[] No.45952411[source]
Much as I’d like to see Xcode on iPad, I doubt it will happen; at least, not with the current Xcode.

Xcode is huge, it’s bigger than most games. A lot of that size, is an aggregation of tools, built up over a couple of decades.

Replacing it with a rewrite, would be a major operation, but would probably be required, in order to work on iPad.

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nicoburns ◴[] No.45957570[source]
You can configure an iPad up to 2TB. I don't think storage if going to be the blocker
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ChrisMarshallNY ◴[] No.45957977[source]
Yeah, but it's not a monolithic code block.

I suspect there are dozens of tools, that are years old, have very few folks that know how they work, and probably only work on Mac.

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1. nicoburns ◴[] No.45958276[source]
Ah, you're consider the possibility of Xcode on ipadOS? I was imagining Xcode on an Ipad running macOS.

EDIT: I should have read the thread more closely.