Google is killing the open web, part 2

I don’t get the comparison. The XSLT deprecation has support beyond Google.

It's just ill-informed ideological thinking. People see Google doing anything and automatically assume it's a bad thing and that it's only happening because Google are evil.

HN has historically been relatively free of such dogma, but it seems times are changing, even here

Maybe free of the "evil Google" dogma but not free from dogma. The few who dared to express one tenth of the disapproval what we usually express about Apple nowadays were downvoted to transparent ink in a matter of minutes. Microsoft had its honeymoon period with HN after their pro open source campaign, WSL, VSCode etc. People who prudently remembered the Microsoft of the 90s and the 2000s did get their fair share of downvotes. Then Windows 11 happened. Surprise. Actually I thought that there has been a consensus about Google being evil for at least ten years but I might me wrong.

Completely agree. You see this all the time in online discourse. I call it the "two things can be true at the same time" problem, where a lot of people seem unable to believe that 2 things can simultaneously be true, in this case:

1. Google has engaged in a lot of anticompetitive behavior to maintain and extend their web monopoly.

2. Removing XSLT support from browsers is a good idea that is widely supported by all major browser vendors.

"relatively" is meant to be doing a lot of work in my previous comment. Allow me to clarify: Obviously some amount was always there, but it used to be so much less than it is now, and, more importantly, the difference between HN and other social media, such as Reddit, used to be bigger, in terms of amount of dogma.

HN still has less dogma than Reddit, but it's closer than it used to be in my estimation. Reddit is still getting more dogma each day, but HN is slowly catching up.

I don't know where to turn to for online discourse that is at least mostly free from dogma these days. This used to be it.

> It's just ill-informed ideological thinking.

> People see Google doing anything and automatically assume it's a bad thing and that it's only happening because Google are evil.

Sure, but a person also needs to be conscious of the role that this perception plays in securing premature dismissal of anyone who ventures to criticize.

(In quoting your comment above, I've deliberately separated the first sentence from the second. Notice how easily the observation of the phenomenon described in the second sentence can be used to undergird the first claim, even though the first claim doesn't actually follow as a necessary consequence from the second.)

Safari is "cautiously supportive", waiting for someone else to remove support.

Google does lead the charge on it, immediately having a PR to remove it from Chromium and stating intent to remove even though the guy pushing it didn't even know about XSLT uses before he even opened either of them.

XSLT is a symptom of how browser vendors approach the web these days. And yes, Google are the worst of them.