Dissecting Flock Safety: The Cameras Tracking You Are a Security Nightmare [video]

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echelon ◴[16 Nov 25 16:48 UTC] No.45946439[source]▶

These cameras are showing up everywhere in my state. It's creepy. I had no idea what they were, and now suddenly they're at every intersection, gas station, you name it.

I don't like that the government is tracking everyone's movements so openly. I knew they were doing this with cell phone data, but that wasn't so brazen.

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1. extropic-engine ◴[16 Nov 25 16:50 UTC] No.45946460[source]▶

>>45946439 #

did you know that flock has a data sharing contract with ring cameras? amazon’s panopticon is much larger. i believe it is on by default and users have to manually opt out, but i don’t have a ring camera to verify.

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2. ◴[16 Nov 25 16:51 UTC] No.45946469[source]▶

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3. vanc_cefepime ◴[16 Nov 25 18:33 UTC] No.45947268[source]▶

>>45947125 #

Feel free to place a disclosure that you are a cofounder of Flock.

4. CharlesW ◴[16 Nov 25 18:36 UTC] No.45947288[source]▶

>>45947125 #

Only sharing specific clips is opt-in¹, but the program and its notifications are on by default. Maybe not surprisingly, consumers aren't asked if they want to participate, and the option is buried enough that most people will never see it.

¹ I'm being generous here. Police can still obtain Ring footage via warrants or "emergency" requests that don’t involve the user choosing to share anything.

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5. lysace ◴[16 Nov 25 19:31 UTC] No.45947713{3}[source]▶

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So your concern here is spam of unsolicited requests from LE to consider sharing data related to some local event?

6. spaceguillotine ◴[16 Nov 25 20:23 UTC] No.45948093[source]▶

>>45947125 #

hey, while I have you here Mr CEO, why are you comfortable allowing abusive cops the tech to stalk and harass former partners, I've met women that had ex husbands in the FBI that kept chasing them across country to continue the abuse and your camera systems help enable those acts.

I hope you lose sleep like those women do.

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7. queenkjuul ◴[17 Nov 25 01:33 UTC] No.45950116[source]▶

>>45947125 #

Texas cops used your data to harass abortion recipients. FBI agents used it to abuse former partners.

You want to make the world safer? Shut down your company.

8. extropic-engine ◴[17 Nov 25 16:09 UTC] No.45954872{3}[source]▶

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since the flock CEO’s comment is dead, i hope you don’t mind if i reply to him here.

Your wealth and power will not save you. Your rich friends will not save you. Turning off the monstrosity you are helping to create and reckoning with what you have already done in the world is the only thing that will. If there is still any shard of humanity left in you, I hope this finds it. It is not too late to turn away from the path you chose. But it soon will be. And there will be a reckoning either way.

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