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IDEmacs: A Visual Studio Code clone for Emacs

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301 points nogajun | 4 comments | 16 Nov 25 00:56 UTC | HN request time: 0s | source
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charcircuit ◴[16 Nov 25 04:01 UTC] No.45942646[source]▶
I would really like to see this kind of work be done upstream. Emacs still looks the same as it did decades ago despite other editors advancing and becoming more user friendly.
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stackghost ◴[16 Nov 25 04:33 UTC] No.45942795[source]▶
A huge portion of the emacs community seems resistant to any UI improvement. I think it's a counterculture thing.
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1. anon291 ◴[16 Nov 25 07:54 UTC] No.45943481[source]▶
There is no better UI for text editing that I have ever come across. I'm not sure why so many people are resistant to the idea that emacs has the correct answer to most UI issues. More programs would stand to take lessons from emacs. Emacs is, in its own right, a very successful piece of software. When eclipse was a thing everyone was saying how great it was vs emacs. But eclipse is gone (I think?) and emacs is still GOATed.

There's a particular kind of hubris from non emacs users (especially those who swear by new ides), that us losers are somehow deprived. We are not and don't need your advice. Nothing to do with counterculture. I tried many editors before I became obsessed with emacs.

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2. charcircuit ◴[16 Nov 25 10:03 UTC] No.45943942[source]▶
>But eclipse is gone (I think?) and emacs is still GOATed.

The 2024 stack overflow developer survey [0] puts Eclipse at over double Emac's market share. If Eclipse is gone, then Emacs is double gone. Emacs struggles to attract and retain new users. This advice is not calling existing Emacs users deprived. It's rooted from the bad defaults giving new users a bad impression of Emac's viability because the default is so bad. If emacs built out proper telemtry they could actually track how the defaults they provide affect the new user experience in order for them to optimize it and figure out what users are looking for.

[0] https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2024/technology

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3. anon291 ◴[16 Nov 25 16:08 UTC] No.45946104[source]▶
> If emacs built out proper telemtry they could actually track how the defaults they provide affect the new user experience in order for them to optimize it and figure out what users are looking for.

I can't tell if this is an attempt at humor or something people actually believe

4. Iwan-Zotow ◴[17 Nov 25 07:17 UTC] No.45951481[source]▶
> If emacs built out proper telemtry they could actually track

Good God, NEIN!