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JSR_FDED ◴[] No.45941785[source]
Tariffs are great. They protect the struggling domestic IT industry and gives it time to ramp up its production of vintage computer parts.
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varispeed ◴[] No.45941825[source]
I know one US business that used to make niche electronic product. Most components they used were from China. Got hit by the tariffs that wiped all the operating profit. Guy also had to sell his home and is now couchsurfing. Business is unlikely going to recover.

Of course he considered making chips and other components in the US, but he was few billions short to start the fab.

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Gibbon1 ◴[] No.45941888[source]
Reminds me of a comment I think by Nancy Teeters the first female Federal Reserve board member. She said the other board members thought they could savage the US manufacturing industry to kill wage inflation and break the unions and it would come right back once they stopped. And it didn't.
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seg_lol ◴[] No.45942066[source]
Sociopaths. It breaks me to see the Fed use interest rates to cause unemployment as the lever against inflation. It all seems so cruel.
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1. ericd ◴[] No.45942498[source]
Have you ever read about people burning piles of German currency because it was better than using it to buy firewood with? Not to say we would get there, but allowing inflation to run is not kinder.
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2. inferiorhuman ◴[] No.45942531[source]
I think these days folks typically use Zimbabwe or Argentina as examples.
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3. badc0ffee ◴[] No.45943166[source]
Have you ever tried to start a fire with a bunch of paper? It doesn't work great, and what a mess.
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4. wqaatwt ◴[] No.45943420[source]
Inflation like that doesn’t just happen. It can only be the outcome of explicit government policy. Like in post WW1 Germany they wanted to wipe the value of all domestic government debt they accumulated during the war.
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5. phil21 ◴[] No.45943504[source]
Done it plenty of times.

Works great until you run out of paper.

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6. brobdingnagians ◴[] No.45944829[source]
Those are more recent examples, but I think Germany is still a more visceral example for a lot of Western nations because Germany was a high tech, educated industrial nation that was hit with such massive problems from government policy. It's closer to home. Other countries are (wrongfully) easier to dismiss as being just too different from our wealthy and enlightened selves.
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7. badc0ffee ◴[] No.45946808{3}[source]
It burns too quickly, and leaves a ton of ash behind that flies everywhere.

Of course it works in a pinch.

8. ericd ◴[] No.45948951[source]
Eh my understanding was more that they had to cover fiscal deficits with printing, because they had heavy WW1 war reps (only payable in gold, so they couldn’t inflate it away).

There are times when it’s politically infeasible to defend the currency, even if they technically could. See the response in France to trying to raise the retirement age a bit, because their budget is in trouble.

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9. ericd ◴[] No.45948975[source]
Yes, and it was fine, but sure, I typically burn wood.
10. ericd ◴[] No.45948982{3}[source]
Also, Germany was a great power seriously challenging the greatest power of the time, the British Empire. They fell a lot further than those other examples.
11. Gibbon1 ◴[] No.45949499{3}[source]
People get confused the hyper inflation in Germany was right after the end of WWI when Germany's economy was collapsing. Turns out you can't fix that with monetary policy.

A point. Economists like people to believe that hyper inflation lead to Hitler. When it was austerity policies at the start of the great depression 10 years later that lead to the Nazi's winning in 33. Same austerity policies in the US lead to FDR and the Democrats winning.

12. inferiorhuman ◴[] No.45950206{3}[source]
Unfortunately we're looking more like Hogan's Heroes than Germany. Both Zimbabwe and Argentina (and, quite frankly, Venezuela) were well developed before they went down the road of disastrous policies.
13. wqaatwt ◴[] No.45955333{3}[source]
Supposedly Germany was spending around 80% of its tax revenue on interest payments alone. They pretty much had to finance the war through domestic bonds.

So yes, pretty they didn’t have any money to spend on anything else. Of course bonds became worthless well before the peak in inflation.

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14. ericd ◴[] No.45958518{4}[source]
Eesh thanks for that detail, didn’t realize it was so crushingly high.