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ugh123 ◴[] No.45909860[source]
>my dad is dead, because his family members were too naive to know that the thing they were instructed to do by the state was a false thing.

We're told a lot of things by "officials" not because it's correct, but because it holds the least legal liability for official parties involved, especially anything involving healthcare. These officials also sometimes include doctors, who work to protect themselves and the system first, and then patients.

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energy123 ◴[] No.45909988[source]
Incompetence and laziness among doctors is a big cause. As a professional you've probably worked with many colleagues you thought were bad. Well there are doctors like that too. Many of them. And unlike in tech, they don't get let go if they're bad. They stay around and keep "treating" patients.
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photon_lines ◴[] No.45910068[source]
This is 100% true, especially in Canada. I've had multiple encounters with doctors who were not fit for their positions and should not have been working as doctors. One of them nearly killed my mom, and another one was suspended due to malpractice and performing research fraud, but was given her license back and is back to work at the moment. Yes she is fully licensed and back to working as a regular MD in Canada: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophie_Jamal
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bonsai_spool ◴[] No.45910150[source]
> One of them nearly killed my mom, and another one was suspended due to malpractice and performing research fraud, but was given her license back

How does alleged research fraud affect someone’s ability to be a caregiver?

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heylook ◴[] No.45910541[source]
This is the laziest, most egregious "WeLl AkShUaLlY!!!" comment I've seen in a little while. Like, really embarrassing.

> According to the regulator for Ontario doctors, Jamal initially tried to place all the blame on her innocent research associate, almost ruining her career. She then tried to discredit her colleagues, claiming they had ulterior motives for questioning her results.

> When that didn’t work, they found Jamal tried to cover up her fraud: She illegally accessed patient records to destroy and change files, disposed of an old computer so investigators couldn’t examine it and even went into the Canadian Blood Services facility and changed freezer temperatures to damage blood and urine samples to mask her deception.

> And in March 2018, after admitting her misconduct before a disciplinary committee of the College of Physicians and Surgeons, Jamal was stripped of her medical license.

https://torontosun.com/news/local-news/mandel-despite-commit...

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bonsai_spool ◴[] No.45910656{3}[source]
> This is the laziest, most egregious "WeLl AkShUaLlY!!!" comment I've seen in a little while. Like, really embarrassing.

And yet I haven't heard how this affects this person's ability to be an endocrinologist. Most of any job is routine busywork—and if ethical purity is the requirement to hold a job that impacts the lives of the public, we may never have a politician (or hospital chief) for the rest of humanity.

I am not saying that OP should love their endocrinologist. I am saying that all of this is a non sequitur.

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switchbak ◴[] No.45910740{4}[source]
"all of this is a non sequitur" ... I'm just speechless here. You're so completely off base there's not even any point arguing with you.
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bonsai_spool ◴[] No.45910781{5}[source]
> "all of this is a non sequitur" ... I'm just speechless here. You're so completely off base there's not even any point arguing with you.

I am very specifically responding to the post I saw when I made my post.

Here is an example for the HN crowd.

"I really dislike my pointy-haired-boss project manager. He is unreasonable and terrible at management.

I learned that he was investigated at a previous job in computer science algorithmic research at a University—before he ever worked in industry—and ultimately found not liable for this. I am convinced that this is why I dislike my PHB"

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> I also replied above, so at risk of overextending myself in this thread: you are either too lacking in discernment to effectively have this conversation, or you are willfully arguing in bad faith. You are describing completely different scenarios.

I can't respond to this comment—but if I am "arguing in bad faith" yet responding rationally, we truly cannot have a discussion.

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1. svnt ◴[] No.45910949{6}[source]
I also replied above, so at risk of overextending myself in this thread: you are either too lacking in discernment to effectively have this conversation, or you are willfully arguing in bad faith. You are describing completely different scenarios.