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mmmlinux ◴[] No.45902647[source]
I was in SF a few weekend ago and rode both Waymo and normal Lyft style taxi cars. the Waymo was a better experience in every single way. One of the Lyfts i was in drove on the shoulder for a while like it was a lane. The Waymos were just smooth consistent driving. No aggressive driving to get you dumped off so they can get to the next fair.
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toast0 ◴[] No.45902998[source]
> Waymo was a better experience in every single way. One of the Lyfts i was in drove on the shoulder for a while like it was a lane.

These sentances conflict. I recently took a taxi from JFK to Manhattan during rush hour, and I estimate if the driver didn't use all of the paved surface, it would have taken at least 10 more minutes to arrive. (And it wouldn't have been an authentic NYC experience)

It's ok if you prefer the Waymo experience, and if you find it a better experience overall, but if a human driver saves you time, the Waymo wasn't better in every single way.

I am assuming the Lyft driver used the shoulder effectively. My experience with Lyft+Uber has been hit or miss... Some drivers are like traditional taxi drivers: it's an exciting ride because the driver knows the capabilities of their vehicle and uses them and they navigate obstacles within inches; some drivers are the opposite, it's an exciting ride because it feels like Star Tours (is this your first time? well, it's mine too) and they're using your ride to find the capabilities of their vehicle. The first type of driver is likely to use the shoulder effectively, and the second not so much.

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1. estearum ◴[] No.45903050[source]
> These sentances conflict. I recently took a taxi from JFK to Manhattan during rush hour, and I estimate if the driver didn't use all of the paved surface, it would have taken at least 10 more minutes to arrive. (And it wouldn't have been an authentic NYC experience)

My hot take is that people who "use all of the paved surface" because their whiny passenger is "in a rush" (which of course everyone stuck in traffic is) should permanently lose their license on the very first offense.

It is just gobsmackingly antisocial behavior that is 1) locally unsafe and 2) indicative of a deep moral rot.

Obviously exceptions can be made for true emergencies and what not, but "I need to save 10 minutes" is not one of them.

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2. jeffbee ◴[] No.45903100[source]
My hot take is that anyone who would take a taxi from JFK to Manhattan, along the most well-served transit corridor on the continent, is probably a psycho and we shouldn't ask for their input on transportation topics.
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3. estearum ◴[] No.45903116[source]
JFK to Manhattan is actually not that easy for a newcomer. JFK → Airtrain → LIRR → Subway is a very stupid design.

That said, yes GP is obviously a psycho.

4. CPLX ◴[] No.45903134[source]
Oh my sweet summer child.

I've got news for you about how dysfunctional New York City transit planning has been and the status of transit to our three giant airports.

5. QuercusMax ◴[] No.45903460[source]
"People should break traffic laws" is a very strange position to take.
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6. CPLX ◴[] No.45903592{3}[source]
I'm sure it is in places that are dominated by strip malls and tract housing.

Here in New York City, we have a different approach altogether.

I find it much simpler and more straightforward and easy to understand. You always know exactly what another car is about to do. They are going to try to get in front of you and try to get where they are going, while not caring if that helps you go where you're going.

I never have to wonder what's going to happen next.

Meanwhile, I get off the plane in some flat state, hop in a rental car, and have immediately have no idea what the drivers are planning, what they have in store for me. It's exhausting.

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7. crazygringo ◴[] No.45903641[source]
You do realize that public transportation doesn't provide luggage carts? That you can't take those out of the airport?

If you're traveling with a family or group, it really is often going to be much easier to take an XL Uber than deal with turnstiles and transfers and stairs and everything.

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8. sib ◴[] No.45903847[source]
There are many, many, many airports to which it is easier to travel via public transit from their associated city than it is from Manhattan to JFK. For example, all of these global-top-25 airports have single-train access:

London Heathrow (LHR)

Tokyo Haneda (HND)

Amsterdam Schiphol (AMS)

Paris-Charles de Gaulle (CDG)

Frankfurt (FRA)

Dubai (DXB)

Seoul Incheon (ICN)

Guangzhou (CAN)

Shanghai Pudong (PVG)

New Delhi (DEL)

Madrid Barajas (MAD)

Beijing Capital (PEK)

Chicago O'Hare (ORD)

Denver (DEN)

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9. QuercusMax ◴[] No.45903849{4}[source]
I live in Portland where we generally drive like sane humans. Your insinuation that anyone who cares about driving safely is from a flyover state is frankly baffling.
10. QuercusMax ◴[] No.45903936{3}[source]
So what you're saying is if you're not in a big group or traveling with family, you absolutely SHOULD take public transportation.
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11. crazygringo ◴[] No.45904061{4}[source]
...no? Maybe re-read the first half.

I've come from abroad with two large checked bags, a carry-on, and a backpack. You think I'm trying to take all that through the subway?

Obviously, yeah if you're traveling solo with a carry-on, most people take public transportation.

Or not, if it's 1 am and you don't want to be waiting 20 minutes for each connection.

Also, if you're a tourist new to the city after a long flight, the last thing you want to do is figure out the massively complicated transit system. Just having someone take you straight to your hotel where you can shower and sleep and deal with jet lag can be an important priority.

12. jwagenet ◴[] No.45904385{3}[source]
I don't get the gripe. AirTrain gets you to A,E,J,Z, and LIRR, all of which get you to "Manhattan" or a significant number of intermediate destinations in about an hour. LGA is far worse.
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13. estearum ◴[] No.45904396{4}[source]
I live in New York City: no.

If everyone drove on the shoulder like a few assholes do, we just wouldn't have shoulders.

This is extremely silly.

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14. CPLX ◴[] No.45904458{5}[source]
I don't drive on the shoulder as a way of getting around people.

However, if I was behind someone who had gone all the way to the end of an exit lane but then was trying to cut back in to the regular flow of traffic, and I was in a car that wasn't willing to go around this person by driving on their shoulder to get around them as they tried to force their way in at the very last second, I would lose massive chunks of my life.

And yes, this is a daily occurrence. For example, drive on the BQE towards South Brooklyn approaching Tillary Street, and see how your life goes if you're not willing to go around the last-minute people on the shoulder.

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15. estearum ◴[] No.45905401{6}[source]
This is not the scenario that GP is referring to

(Disclaimer: I used to live off the Tillary exit and this is a unique problem – one that's mostly caused by the same types of people who drive on the shoulders because they're so important!)

16. crazygringo ◴[] No.45907810{4}[source]
Having to take AirTrain beyond the terminals at all is annoying. LIRR should just go to JFK directly. AirTrain is slow as molasses, and the fact that it costs money is absurd. It works and I'm glad it exists, but it's nothing like e.g. the Paris RER connecting CDG.

You generally never want to take A/E/J/Z because they're sooo much slower than LIRR, unless you live along them.

Yes, LGA is far worse.

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17. jwagenet ◴[] No.45908368{5}[source]
> the fact that it costs money is absurd

Bart from SFO to downtown SF is about $11 due to a surcharge and the combined fare AirTrain + subway is also about $11.50. LIRR is a bit more expensive. The Paris RER is €13. I don’t see how the fare is objectionable.

I personally appreciate the subway connections exist. Taking LIRR would require a subway transfer to most destinations anyway.