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489 points runesoerensen | 3 comments | 11 Nov 25 15:44 UTC | HN request time: 0.001s | source
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jitbit ◴[11 Nov 25 15:48 UTC] No.45888669[source]▶
For us, every .NET upgrade since .NET 5 has gone surprisingly smoothly and reduced CPU/RAM usage by 10–15%.

We were even able to downgrade our cloud servers to smaller instances, literally.

I wish .NET was more popular among startups, if only C# could get rid of the "enterpisey" stigma.

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nicoburns ◴[12 Nov 25 14:22 UTC] No.45900544[source]▶
> I wish .NET was more popular among startups, if only C# could get rid of the "enterpisey" stigma.

I tried .NET and liked C# as a language. But even though the language and runtime are now open source, it seemed like a lot of the recommended libraries were still commercially licensed, which was an immediate nope from me. I've never encountered that in any other ecosystem.

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GiorgioG ◴[12 Nov 25 14:53 UTC] No.45900964[source]▶
Recommended by whom? I've been doing .NET for 23 years (since the first beta) and I've never paid for a single library in any commercial project I've been part of.
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whizzter ◴[12 Nov 25 15:03 UTC] No.45901101[source]▶
Moq, lots of PDF libraries, Avalonia, Automapper, MediatR, MassTransit,Telerik stuff,etc.

I'm not inherently against it, we have a problem with opensource being asymmetrically underfunded and if people going commercial is the cost perhaps we've failed.

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1. paxcoder ◴[12 Nov 25 15:25 UTC] No.45901335{3}[source]▶
I can confirm that (several years ago at least) free PDF libraries were lacking, and Telerik was always non-free.

However, aren't Moq, Avalonia and MassTransit free software?

As for Automapper and MediatR, their owner changed from a free software license to only an open source one (Reciprocal Public License), but these are probably the simplest libraries of the ones you mentioned and have either been forked (MagicMapper) or have alternatives.

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2. whizzter ◴[12 Nov 25 15:40 UTC] No.45901510[source]▶
Yeah pdf libraries are a bit of a mess, I work with a product that handles lots of PDF documents and I think we just recently added another PDF library dependency (I'm certain it's at least 3 now, but could be 4 or even 5 libraries loaded at startup).

Moq has the appearance of free software but bundled some spyware stuff (seemingly "benign" "Sponsorlink" for getting donations).

Masstransit went commercial recently, https://masstransit.io/introduction/v9-announcement

Avalonia itself is opensource, but i'd put in in a fremium/shareware category since if you need to add an WebView or Media player you need to buy their commercial Accelarate additions.

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3. to11mtm ◴[12 Nov 25 22:24 UTC] No.45907704[source]▶
> Moq has the appearance of free software but bundled some spyware stuff (seemingly "benign" "Sponsorlink" for getting donations).

Well they pulled back but the trust was broken in a lot of cases. I am still fine with it 'for now' but IDK NSubstitute always feels weird to me, maybe that's just how I was taught to use it tho.

> Masstransit went commercial recently

I mean good for them but thankfully it's also giving attention to other projects that are FOSS or Open Core...

As far as the other stuff, I've never seen AutoMapper used in a way that couldn't literally be handled with a static/extension method in 'real' code. Yes it can be useful but it is often grossly overused.

MediatR is cool but TBH I'd rather just reach for Akka.NET or MessagePipe instead; If you're abstracting out to keep processing backend 'swappable' you should be able to handle any of the above for the choice you make anyway.