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    489 points runesoerensen | 14 comments | 11 Nov 25 15:44 UTC | HN request time: 0s | source | bottom
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    jitbit ◴[11 Nov 25 15:48 UTC] No.45888669[source]▶
    For us, every .NET upgrade since .NET 5 has gone surprisingly smoothly and reduced CPU/RAM usage by 10–15%.

    We were even able to downgrade our cloud servers to smaller instances, literally.

    I wish .NET was more popular among startups, if only C# could get rid of the "enterpisey" stigma.

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    leetharris ◴[11 Nov 25 16:35 UTC] No.45889332[source]▶
    > I wish .NET was more popular among startups, if only C# could get rid of the "enterpisey" stigma.

    Too hard to ignore the benefits of cross-stack gains in Typescript/Python. The C# native phone, Blazor, etc just isn't quite there yet. Tried it at the last company, and full stack TS was just so much easier to do.

    The reality is that the vast majority of startups don't make it. The #1 thing startups should be focusing on is hiring the right people and product velocity. TS just makes that easier in my experience.

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    pif ◴[12 Nov 25 09:46 UTC] No.45898233[source]▶
    I wish people stopped conflating web programming with the whole realm of software development.
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    1. charcircuit ◴[12 Nov 25 09:50 UTC] No.45898255[source]▶
    If you ignore Android / iPhone, where language choice is limited, practically all other development is web.
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    2. forrestthewoods ◴[12 Nov 25 09:58 UTC] No.45898315[source]▶
    > practically all

    Define “practically all”. I would accept “clear majority”.

    But practically all? Nah. I mean the hot new areas for funding right now are AI and robotics neither of which are web!

    I’m coming up on 20 years professional experience. Exactly none of it has been mobile or web! The programming field is so much bigger than HN likes to pretend.

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    3. gishh ◴[12 Nov 25 10:12 UTC] No.45898399[source]▶
    Sure isn’t.
    4. adastra22 ◴[12 Nov 25 10:23 UTC] No.45898489[source]▶
    Get out of your bubble.
    5. fuy ◴[12 Nov 25 10:23 UTC] No.45898491[source]▶
    It's web in a (limited) sense that there's probably a web frontend somewhere, but this "somewhere" is usually pretty far away from where most of the code is developed.

    Most of the backend logic is not related to serving data for the browsers, it's doing actual backend stuff - communicating to databases, APIs, etc.

    Is Google search backend a web app? I think it's really stretching the term.

    6. adastra22 ◴[12 Nov 25 10:23 UTC] No.45898496[source]▶
    The majority of software is probably Excel macros.
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    7. charcircuit ◴[12 Nov 25 10:25 UTC] No.45898499[source]▶
    >I mean the hot new areas for funding right now are AI and robotics

    Most developers are not in such startups. There is a lot of boring software out there which is a website. Even for AI, the first company that comes to mind OpenAI is known for ChatGPT, a web product. Most of the AI companies are building web products.

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    8. egeozcan ◴[12 Nov 25 10:26 UTC] No.45898508[source]▶
    Most of your electronic devices work with embedded software. Production lines, transport gates, cranes, computer hardware, ships, planes, rockets, cars, e-bikes, smart lights...

    There is also scientific programming, that feeds research and analysis. Weather reports? Statistics, etc.

    And there is gaming.

    Devops, infrastructure? Databases? Tools for artists? Most of those aren't web. And yes I've heard of Figma.

    There are probably tens of categories I'm missing.

    Web is still bigger probably, but I have a problem with the saying "practically all other development is web".

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    9. delta_p_delta_x ◴[12 Nov 25 10:31 UTC] No.45898537[source]▶
    > practically all other development is web

    This is a pretty ignorant take.

    10. johannes1234321 ◴[12 Nov 25 10:41 UTC] No.45898586{3}[source]▶
    That is software with a web interface. Only a small part of OpenAI's work deals with web related things.
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    11. defraudbah ◴[12 Nov 25 11:03 UTC] No.45898713{4}[source]▶
    how dare you, i summon 10 js engineers from openai to downvote you (they have 6 only)
    12. hshdhdhj4444 ◴[12 Nov 25 11:18 UTC] No.45898794[source]▶
    I really doubt you’re using .NET (it literally is named in the dotcom style and refers to the interNET) in embedded software.

    In an article about .Net its fair to talk primarily about creating APIs and other internet focused uses.

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    13. master-lincoln ◴[12 Nov 25 11:59 UTC] No.45899097{3}[source]▶
    And you just deduct that from the name? Was .NET created with a focus on web? It seems to me like a generic application framework.

    ASP.NET is the web part, no?

    14. egeozcan ◴[12 Nov 25 14:01 UTC] No.45900281{3}[source]▶
    This probably isn't true but I want to read a super geeky dark sci-fi novel that explores this topic.