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    1. alfiedotwtf ◴[] No.45862042[source]
    Is a judgement worth the paper it’s written on when it’s ignored with zero consequences?
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    2. Normal_gaussian ◴[] No.45862115[source]
    For other parts of the world looking in, yes.
    3. ethbr1 ◴[] No.45862139[source]
    Why would it be ignored? Say what you want about the executive branch trying to weasel out of things and get the Supreme Court to lift holds, but they've so far been unwilling to out and out disobey finalized court orders.
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    4. usrusr ◴[] No.45862154[source]
    Ties those who ignore it closer to the group in power: more to lose when they lose it. Every little erosion of law adherence creates more of that cheap loyalty substitute.
    5. c420 ◴[] No.45862201[source]
    'We lack the power': Justice Barrett basically admits SCOTUS can do nothing if Trump violates rulings

    https://lawandcrime.com/supreme-court/we-lack-the-power-just...

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    6. pfdietz ◴[] No.45862257{3}[source]
    All they need to do is rule that violation of court orders is not protected by qualified immunity from civil lawsuits, a principle SCOTUS invented itself.
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    7. binarymax ◴[] No.45862274[source]
    They are adding up. They can ignore them, and when they are out of office, the reckoning will come.
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    8. ocdtrekkie ◴[] No.45862290[source]
    Not for the President, unfortunately. Supreme Court precedent has effectively set him as immune from prosecution, and it's not like at his age he'd serve much time anyways.

    I expect a lot of his administration to spend their latter years in jail though. Siding with him has basically never paid off for anyone.

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    9. brian-armstrong ◴[] No.45862292[source]
    That's why they're not leaving office. Check out Venezuela for a preview of what's in store for the US.
    10. staticautomatic ◴[] No.45862299{3}[source]
    There’s always treason
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    11. ocdtrekkie ◴[] No.45862306{3}[source]
    I suspect many of the more ridiculous rulings come less from Roberts agreeing with Trump, and more fear of actually placing Trump in a position to straight ignore the court, which he will do.

    There is likely a pragmatic view that if they appear to remain relevant they might continue to have some power, even though they already don't.

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    12. jfengel ◴[] No.45862322[source]
    They won't ignore it. They'll comply with replacing the partisan message, and move on to dozens of other violations. It's not so much the judgments as that the courts can't keep up.
    13. add-sub-mul-div ◴[] No.45862327[source]
    Not every failure is meaningful on its own but it would at least spiritually be a very different country today if they wasn't such a pattern of sustained opposition and losing in the courts going back 2017.
    14. ethbr1 ◴[] No.45862398{4}[source]
    It would have precedent in the Supreme Court... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marbury_v._Madison#Political_d...
    15. Larrikin ◴[] No.45862422{4}[source]
    They could have let him go to jail before the election instead of ruling that the president is a king.
    16. wl ◴[] No.45862423{4}[source]
    Qualified immunity in no way limits a court’s contempt powers.
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    17. pfdietz ◴[] No.45862498{5}[source]
    Civil actions aren't subject to presidential pardon.
    18. jalapenos ◴[] No.45863201{4}[source]
    It's treason, then...