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A Confederacy of Toddlers

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mrkeen ◴[] No.45809223[source]
Remember in 2015 when there was no chance of Trump winning, then he did, and everyone collectively realised no-one had actually talked (listened) to any of the voters that put him in power?

Well, after win #2 (this time with the popular vote) here we are again:

> Friedrich Nietzsche created a concept that can help us understand this political moment. He imported a word from French to describe a kind of deep-seated anger that goes beyond transitory gripes: ressentiment, a feeling that comes from a combination of insecurity, an amorphous envy, and a generalized sense of resentment.

The majority is such a bizarre outlier that you need 19th century German philosophy to really understand what's going on.

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RickJWagner ◴[] No.45810448[source]
You’re on to something there.

In 2016, Trump first had to defeat the Republican establishment. Then he won the election.

In 2020, he nearly won again. In 2024, he won the election again.

He is like no politician before him. He is boorish, childish, uncouth, and boastful.

But it’s the fact that he opposes the sneering, snotty media/political establishment that gets him votes. People are tired of lies being constantly pushed upon them by condescending pretty people. Another snarky article from The Atlantic only feeds the monster.

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deeg ◴[] No.45811989[source]
> But it’s the fact that he opposes the sneering, snotty

Calling people "Crooked Hillary", "Sleepy Joe", and Gavin "Newscum" isn't sneering and snotty?

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Ancapistani ◴[] No.45812182{3}[source]
That’s literally his appeal. Perceptually, he’s the first person to run on the Republican ticket that shot back. More realistically, he’s a caricature of the way the right feels the media and political class treat them.

Obviously there is some gap between perception and reality - but those same groups reacted so strongly to him that they became a caricature of themselves.

He’s popular on the right because he’s so unpopular on the left.

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1. happytoexplain ◴[] No.45812736{4}[source]
>he’s the first person to run on the Republican ticket that shot back

It's hard to believe anybody believes this. I understand both sides always feel like the other side is always "worse" by essentially any metric, but first? The first Republican candidate to mock democrats or be shitty? You mean the most extreme, surely.

Also, "shot back" implies something comparable. Again - I don't really believe anybody thinks what Trump culture does is comparable to what either Republicans or Democrats have done to each other for decades.

If you mean it asymmetrically - as in the president "shooting back" not at the other presidents, but at the media and constituency of the opposite party, then in that context it makes even less sense. It was always the case that the media and online shitposters waged petty war against each other, while the presidents made rare jokes that were more diplomatic (on average...). It was always a gradient going up the chain - the people at the bottom saying the worst things, then the media in second place, then elected officials, then the president. But Republicans were always varyingly more extreme at all levels of that hierarchy. There was never a layer where the Democrats were shit-talking the Republicans in a way that the Republicans didn't match or exceed. So it doesn't make semantic sense to say that Trump "shot back" - what Trump did was pull the worst of those bottom bits straight up into the presidency, and all layers in between. The Democrats are "shooting back" by reactively getting more shit-talky at higher levels. Of course, that's not the right thing to do, but it's understandable, and they still don't come anywhere near Trumpism, qualitatively or quantitatively.

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2. Ancapistani ◴[] No.45812971[source]
This is my point, though - and to be clear, I’m not saying I agree with the position, only that it is my understanding. This truly does seem to be the general perception based on my observations.