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tamimio ◴[] No.45808764[source]
> Minister for Victims and Tackling Violence Against Women and Girls

Violence? This act of choking most of the time is requested by women themselves. It's the woman who fantasizes about it and asks her partner to perform it. I have never heard or read anywhere that the guy initiated it, simply because it adds nothing to the overall pleasure for him. Actually, women's fantasies are usually more messed up than men's on average, and you can compare the porn that men mostly watch vs the dark fantasies that women read in their books. Women's fantasies are usually about abduction, abuse, stalking, pain, among others. There's always this theme whenever you read about domestic violence or really anything bad in relationships or families, including things like manipulation and abuse. You always find that the man is portrayed as bad, the woman as the victim, a completely biased language as it's never the other way around, while in reality both can commit abuse. Males usually do so in physical form but females usually in emotional and mental form, which is far worse, and you can ask anyone who had an abusive mother.

Back to the ‘choking’ part, how will they regulate other forms of choking? And without going vulgar about it, hands aren't necessarily used, so can a woman accuse the man within the coming 3 years of the intimate event (per the article) after he had a “specific oral sex” with her and she choked on it? What if it's the other way around, the woman is big and was over the man's face? Will the same rule apply? This is a silly law and it's surprising it's already been in place since 2021. Probably in 10 years sexual intimacy will be done how it was in the Demolition Man movie, zero physical contact!

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watwut ◴[] No.45808873[source]
>Males usually do so in physical form but females usually in emotional and mental form,

This is blatantly false. Physical violence is usually extension and escalation of mental and emotional form. Men who beat women verbally and emotionally abuse them first. Verbal abuse rates are similar in men and women, but it is men who commit more physical violence.

> you can compare the porn that men mostly watch vs the dark fantasies that women read in their books. Women's fantasies are usually about abduction, abuse, stalking, pain, among others.

It kinda sounds like your fantasy about what women have fantasies about. Also, there is no shortage of violent degrading porn in video form.

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anakaine ◴[] No.45809220[source]
I think you're in the wrong here. You're talking almost exclusively about violence, the poster above you has 90% of their comment focused on intimacy.

Whilst I dont agree with the poster above putting women into a singular box, or using words like "always", then point they make is very valid. At least half my female partners have requested choking over the years. It is absolutely not a niche thing. I enjoy reading the odd popular smut or semi-smut book written from the womans perspective by female authors, and almost universally they have controlling behaviours present with choking being nearly omnipresent.

The law is clumsy. The messaging is clumsy. There's too much overlap into the bedroom and too little distinction between abuse and erotic undertakings.

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1. watwut ◴[] No.45809599{3}[source]
> the poster above you has 90% of their comment focused on intimacy.

They did not. And I specifically reacted to their claim that males commit physical violence instead of mental one. I am not wrong there, physical violence is mixed with mental one, not something that would happen outside of it. It was very much false dichotomy and has nothing to do with how abuse actually happens in practice.

> At least half my female partners have requested choking over the years. It is absolutely not a niche thing

This may have a lot to do with what kind of person you are attracted to and chooses as a partner.

> I enjoy reading the odd popular smut or semi-smut book written from the womans perspective by female authors, and almost universally they have controlling behaviours present with choking being nearly omnipresent.

Again, this is literally about your selection of books. Especially the choking part.

I mean, I can point you to heavily violent porn on the internet. Not hidden, not hard to get, right there for anyone to find with two clicks. That does not mean most men enjoy watching beatings and humiliation as their porn, it means that some do.