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1. citizenkeen ◴[] No.45804906[source]
Something the article doesn’t mention is why this was phased out. Was it replaced with something similar?
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2. plasticsoprano ◴[] No.45805213[source]
Better building fire suppression systems. Not to mention improvements to flame retardant materials.
3. mindcrime ◴[] No.45805271[source]
FDNY reintroduced the "Super Pumper" concept in a somewhat different form a few years ago.

See:

https://www.firefighternation.com/lifestyle/new-fdny-super-p...

4. dublinben ◴[] No.45805275[source]
Some interesting history here: https://www.firerescue1.com/firefighting-history/articles/th...
5. michaelt ◴[] No.45805434[source]
The article says the "super pumper" could supply 8,800 gallons per minute, and it came with three "satellite trucks [...] not burdened with a pump of their own"

Your basic modern fire pump unit can pump 2,200 gallons per minute (if you can find a water source that'll give you that much) and it'd typically have a crew of 4-5 firefighters on board.

So you'd probably replace it with 4 regular fire trucks? Then you've got just as much pump capacity, plus you've got the flexibility to send the trucks to different places.

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6. mindcrime ◴[] No.45805500[source]
(if you can find a water source that'll give you that much)

Note that, for what it's worth, fire pumps are generally rated for their capacity when drafting from a static water supply (think, pond, lake, river, etc). Basically all modern fire pumps can easily exceed their rated capacity by a pretty good margin when pumping from a pressurized source, but then you're back to your point of "do you have a source that can supply that?" Still, there are ways. In my firefighting days we had some hydrants in our district (the ones on the big 30" main that ran right down the middle of the county in particular) that could individually supply 2000gpm. And nothing says you are restricted to using one hydrant! There are also all sorts of complex water supply evolutions one can run, involving relay pumping with multiple engines, drafting and using hydrants, etc.

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7. michaelt ◴[] No.45806260{3}[source]
In the UK a large-scale fire will often be attended by far more fire engines than the local water network can supply.

At the major Grenfell Tower fire, the water network could only supply ~4,320 litres per minute (1141 us gallons per minute) [1] despite firefighters asking the water suppliers to maximise the water supply.

And that fire was attended by seventy fire engines and two hundred and fifty firefighters, as they needed pretty much all the breathing apparatus in the city. So they had substantially more pump capacity than they had water available.

[1] https://www.insidehousing.co.uk/news/lfb-did-not-follow-even...

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8. mindcrime ◴[] No.45806404{4}[source]
Oh it happens in the US as well. I know of at least one relatively large metro area fire department here in NC that has a few sections of the city with known water supply issues - to the point that structure fires in those areas get dispatched with automatic mutual aid for tankers from surrounding rural departments.