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bawolff ◴[] No.45788035[source]
I'm confused, on the bug report it is claimed ffmpeg fixed the issue, so presumably it was a valid issue. So what's the problem here? That it was a mere memory corruption bug and not an exploitable issue? Even still it seems reasonable that google reports bugs even if they aren't security issues and it seems reasonable to err on the side of memory cirruption being security relavent.

Edit: i guess its not even that, they are just bitter that they have to fix bugs in their own code??? Recieving vuln reports is a gift. If ffmpeg doesnt like it maybe google should just start practising full disclosure.

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hitekker ◴[] No.45788153[source]
Here's a better summary: ffmpeg is getting DDOS'd by AI generated security CVEs. Those CVEs currently have zero real-world impact; the "researchers" didn't even bother to write a patch/fix for their reports.

My hot-take: it's security theater drama. Burn-out maintainers on one side and wealthy corporate employees on the other.

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x0x0 ◴[] No.45788317[source]
Even if they have real-world impact: ffmpeg is a volunteer project. With (ffmpeg -codecs | wc -l) 519 codecs. This will trivially exhaust available ffmpeg eng resources.
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haskellshill ◴[] No.45789774[source]
There's no law that you have to fix all bug reports. Isn't it better for users and developers alike that they can see the problems of the project. If they don't have resources that's fine, it's not like they are charging money for their product. But why not be honest and not request people sweep bugs under the rug for fear of looking bad?
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awakeasleep ◴[] No.45789948[source]
Because it burns out developers and ruins the project. Its like how the treatment can be worse than the disease in medicine.

The CVEs get reported, then big corps automated systems start flagging all use of ffmpeg, the big corp security software stops builds and removes it from dev laptops, then frustrated big corp engineers start harassing the volunteers and soon its not worth volunteering anymore, and the project dies, and there was never a real world impact.

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ndiddy ◴[] No.45790544[source]
My point of view is that the unpaid ffmpeg maintainers should stop playing along with the corporate "security researchers" and not prioritize a bug over everything else simply because it's a CVE. In this case, the "high priority CVE" is from a reverse-engineered codec a hobbyist wrote to decode video from 1990s LucasArts video games. I think it's unreasonable to expect the maintainers to drop everything to fix a bug in a codec that most people will never use. If the trillion-dollar companies sending AI-generated CVE reports care so strongly about getting them fixed ASAP, they should really be fixing them themselves.
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estimator7292 ◴[] No.45790745[source]
You're completely missing the point.

The problem isn't that volunteer devs are harassed into work.

The problem is being harassed.

Whether or not you "care" or feel the need to do any work or accept responsibility, constant harassment will destroy anyone, even you.

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bawolff ◴[] No.45793257[source]
Getting a polite bug report is not being harrased.
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hitekker ◴[] No.45795134[source]
> This bug is subject to a 90-day disclosure deadline. If a fix for this issue is made available to users before the end of the 90-day deadline, this bug report will become public 30 days after the fix was made available. Otherwise, this bug report will become public at the deadline. The scheduled deadline is 2025-11-20 [https://issuetracker.google.com/issues/436510153]

Sounds like a threat to me. ffmpeg is a tiny team and Google is a goliath. Not to mention Google has used their AI to spam the same threat, about 8 times in the last few months https://ffmpeg.org/security.html

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1. bawolff ◴[] No.45796567[source]
Google is hardly the first people to come up with the notion of responsible disclosure. Whether you agree or not with the practise, the goal is to balance the needs of the maintainer with the needs of consumers. In practise such practises have massively boosted security of computer systems.

There is a lot of historical context with this sort of thing that has lead to systems like this that has nothing to do with google.

Besides google did not sign an NDA, they aren't under any obligation to keep anything secret. 90 days is a courtesy. They are fully within their rights to just publish their findings immediately if they felt like it.