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Is 'learn to craft' the new 'learn to code?'

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19 points geox | 2 comments | 02 Nov 25 14:49 UTC | HN request time: 0.49s | source
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orsorna ◴[02 Nov 25 16:25 UTC] No.45791420[source]▶
Timing a market change is inherently even more risky. Think about all of the students in the past 10 years who chose compsci not because they enjoyed it but because of the lucrative salaries. Now, those without the passion or knowhow can't pass an increasingly higher bar in an increasingly difficult market.

The subject of the article, and fellow social media participants, are hedging a bet that manual trade jobs will be safe forever, at the cost of a salary cut and inflicting physical damage to the body. All to do a trade that perhaps doesn't even interest them that much. Insecurity, maybe even arrogance, is driving these people outside of the white collar workforce and I think they will get burned for their decision in the long run. Because there really is no guarantee that these physical jobs will be safe.

The other subtext is that white collars should take a salary cut to work in a different field. And who absorbs the difference in salary that is no longer being paid out? No one that is the subject of this article.

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muldvarp ◴[02 Nov 25 21:24 UTC] No.45793563[source]▶
AI will fuck over anyone that works for a living. Only the people owning stuff for a living will profit off AI.

Trades aren't safe. Even if nobody figures out how to automate trades, the amount of people that will go into trades when white collar jobs are automated away will drive wages down.

AI will be the worst thing to happen to society in a very long time.

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1. mbrumlow ◴[02 Nov 25 22:30 UTC] No.45794016[source]▶
> AI will be the worst thing to happen to society in a very long time.

Maybe. Keep going back and forth.

On one hand I might loose my job. On then other hand everybody might loose their job.

Ai is tricky. If we have a singularity event maybe one or two combines might take all the jobs overnight. Fine. But economies are weird. Once those jobs are automated and nobody has a job we probably won’t even need the jobs that were replaced.

Like today. We have jobs because some other thing came along and “made something easy”. Think about how many jobs we have simply because we as humans write bad software. If this goes away it’s not even about automation taking jobs, it’s about simply not needing huge swaths of jobs at all.

So I think about this and ponder. I’d all Job are basically worthless, then the “rich” people like to complain about, won’t be rich. They won’t have anything either. Simply put, nobody will have any money to buy things and thus the “rich” won’t have anybody to buy things to keep them rich.

So I think more. It’s really not an advantage for the rich and powerful to basically destroy what makes them rich.

For people to be rich they have to have a bunch of people to extract small amounts of money from. A starving and angry population is not going to be a fun place to live for anybody.

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2. techblueberry ◴[03 Nov 25 13:40 UTC] No.45798840[source]▶
I actually think the last point isn’t exactly true. I mean certainly in aggregate, but not at the margins. If the new tech billionaire elite just want to get to space, then they just need enough people to mine a some minerals and metal and make their space ships. If you control all the AI bots you can make money that way.

Kinda the point being, a small number of companies could control all the resources and a few of the people and be rich that way. Yes you’re right, maybe the Walton’s and the other families who made their money on people having money won’t go away, but in theory you could have a group of super rich people just giving money to each other to build space ships and nuclear power plants and the like.