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You can't refuse to be scanned by ICE's facial recognition app, DHS document say

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574 points nh43215rgb | 1 comments | 01 Nov 25 08:58 UTC | HN request time: 0.001s | source
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hexbin010 ◴[01 Nov 25 13:30 UTC] No.45781498[source]▶
> “ICE officials have told us that an apparent biometric match by Mobile Fortify is a ‘definitive’ determination of a person’s status and that an ICE officer may ignore evidence of American citizenship—including a birth certificate—if the app says the person is an alien,”

This is "computer says no (not a citizen)". Which is horrifying

They've just created an app to justify what they were already doing right? And the argument will be "well it's a super complex app run by a very clever company so it can't be wrong"?

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im3w1l ◴[01 Nov 25 19:49 UTC] No.45784720[source]▶
> > “ICE officials have told us that an apparent biometric match by Mobile Fortify is a ‘definitive’ determination of a person’s status and that an ICE officer may ignore evidence of American citizenship—including a birth certificate—if the app says the person is an alien,”

When they decide that someone is in the US illegaly using the app... what happens? Is the person apprehended? Driven straight to the border? Taken into custody while more data about them is gathered?

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pbhjpbhj ◴[02 Nov 25 01:10 UTC] No.45787035[source]▶
You seem to be under the mistaken belief that this is a legal process. This is all so contrary to the established laws of the USA legal system that the Trump's military will not even show their faces.

There's no "custody", these people aren't being afforded the Constitutional, legal, or human rights. This is internment by militarised fascist gangs.

"Officer", ha. These are people given a gun and told to go out and brutalise others. There not performing an office of state, they're far outside the law. All, it seems, to try and force those who support democracy to step out of line so Trump/Vance and their handlers can have more people killed and claim civil war is getting in the way of having elections.

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im3w1l ◴[02 Nov 25 04:28 UTC] No.45787851[source]▶
I don't really have any beliefs at all about it. I have heard very little and trying to form a picture of what is going on.

So ICE go around masked and put people in some kind of camps based on what some app says? And then when they are in the camp what happens?

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1. wasabi991011 ◴[02 Nov 25 06:39 UTC] No.45788274[source]▶
> When they are in the camp what happens?

I don't believe there's a clear picture of what happens next.

Though I know some report the conditions inside the camps are pretty bad, access to lawyers is spotty, reportedly some people are deported without an official removal order / due process, and some people we don't know because they disappear from the public database that's supposed to inform family about the detained person's condition and whereabouts.

I'm not sure if all of that is covered in this BBC report, but feel free to read other journalistic sources

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwy3zel0r3go