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GolfPopper ◴[] No.45774667[source]
Piracy is just the excuse. What they're saying is that Amazon will allow a collection of corporations (including Amazon) to decide what you're allowed to do with the hardware they pretended to let you buy.
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freedomben ◴[] No.45774875[source]
Indeed. I wonder if in these executive conversations anyone ever asks the question, "Music has been purchaseable now without DRM for quite a while. Why has music piracy essentially died but movies/TV shows/etc is still as hot as ever?"
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iamben ◴[] No.45775087[source]
To be fair, I think the fractured rights thing is a big thing a well. I can subscribe to one music service - Spotify, Amazon, Apple, Tidal - and pretty much every new release is available on all of them (or risk a terrible opening week/zero buzz if you go for the 'exclusive' - but ever then, available a week or so later).

The movie/TV companies sell their show to the SVOD platform that offers the most in the territory. Or it's developed by the service themselves. So if you have to subscribe to a handful of services to watch everything your friends recommend.

Most of us can afford one music service. If you're forced into 5 streaming services a lot of people will just pirate. And even for those that do pay - the "we'll show this in the UK a week later than the US" means unless you pirate it, it's spoiled on social media within a few days.

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babypuncher ◴[] No.45775285[source]
The economics of shoving the entire output of the entertainment industry on a single $15/mo streaming service don't work out. It arguably doesn't even work that well for music. Ask any musician that doesn't rake in platinum records how well Spotify works out for them.
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JoshTriplett ◴[] No.45775387[source]
> The economics of shoving the entire output of the entertainment industry on a single $15/mo streaming service don't work out

The economics work out just fine: the net result would be paying the entertainment industry less, which may be what people want.

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lotsofpulp ◴[] No.45775786[source]
People can pay less, all they have to do is consume less.

But all the complaints I see are about not wanting to pay more for more content.

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someguyiguess ◴[] No.45776133{4}[source]
Why would people pay less and consume less when they can more easily pirate, consume more, and pay nothing?
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Tadpole9181 ◴[] No.45783964{5}[source]
> Why would I pay for anything when I can just shoplift?
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1. JoshTriplett ◴[] No.45788232{6}[source]
Why would I pay for anything when I can make an exact copy without taking away the original?

If you want to argue about copyright infringement, do, but don't equate it to theft. That's an old and tired argument that isn't useful for setting policy.

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2. Tadpole9181 ◴[] No.45789332[source]
Because you're an adult who understands that software, films, music, art, books, etc all have (significant) financial costs to produce and the people who make them have a right to the fruit of their labor as long as those fruits are required for them to continue eating. And because it's obvious you are not making an exact copy, because the original is legally licensed and the copy is not.

I'm sure you'd feel this way about someone stealing your identity, right? After all, your SSN can be copied exactly without taking away the original. Just ignore all externalities to the specific act of copying.

Plagiarism is another thing that's super cool under this strictly "immediate and physical" worldview of morality. There's no reason anyone would ever want to stop it, since it isn't tangibly destructive and we don't think of secondary effects when setting policy.

I know it's because you personally get something out of it, but I cannot even fathom trying to say this trite with a straight face. At least be a grown up and just say you want free stuff and don't care if it hurts upstream, like the rest of us. I really can't stand this new-age moral grandstanding piracy where you pretend you aren't a petty thief.