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Nextgrid ◴[] No.45787447[source]
What problem is this trying to solve exactly?

If a computer (or “agent” in modern terms) wants to order you a pizza it can technically already do so.

The reason computers currently can’t order us pizza or book us flights isn’t because of a technical limitation, it’s because the pizza place doesn’t want to just sell you a pizza and the airline doesn’t want to just sell you a flight. Instead they have an entire payroll of people whose salaries are derived from wasting human time, more commonly know as “engagement”. In fact those people will get paid regardless if you actually buy anything, so their incentive is often to waste more of your time even if it means trading off an actual purchase.

The “malicious” uses of AI that this very article refers to are mostly just that - computers/AI agents acting on behalf of humans to sidestep the “wasting human time” issue. The fact that agents may issue more requests than a human user is because information is intentionally not being presented to them in a concise, structured manner. If Dominos or Pizza Hut wanted to sell just pizzas tomorrow they can trivially publish an OpenAPI spec for agents to consume, or even collaborate on an HPOP protocol (Hypertext Pizza Ordering Protocol) to which HPOP clients can connect (no LLMs needed even). But they don’t, because wasting human time is the whole point.

So why would any of these companies suddenly opt into this system? Companies that are after actual money and don’t profit from wasting human time are already ready and don’t have to do anything (if an AI agent is already throwing Bitcoin or valid credit card details at you to buy your pizzas, you are fine), and those that do have zero incentive to opt in since they’d be trading off “engagement” for old-school, boring money (who needs that nowadays right?).

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1. wraptile ◴[] No.45787805[source]
Many of us here are old enough to remember the promise of web 2.0 where "APIs will talk with APIs making everything super fast and automated". Then, businesses realized that they do no in fact just "sell a product" but have this entire flywheel and side hustle they depend on to extract maximum value from the user.

Oh and also turns out if the data you share is easily collected it can be analyzed and tracked to prove your crimes like price gauging, IP infringement and other unlawful acts - that's not good for business either!

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2. tbrownaw ◴[] No.45788214[source]
> promise of web 2.0 where "APIs will talk with APIs making everything super fast and automated"

Wait I thought web 2.0 was DHTML / client-side scripting and XmlHttpRequest?

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3. robinsonb5 ◴[] No.45789022[source]
Web 2.0 was sites not having finished loading when you thought they had, buttons having a 1 in 20 chance of doing nothing when you click them, and the advent of "oops, something went wrong" being considered an acceptable error message.
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4. vpShane ◴[] No.45792176{3}[source]
Also things working and behaving differently across 10 browsers