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You can't refuse to be scanned by ICE's facial recognition app, DHS document say

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574 points nh43215rgb | 3 comments | 01 Nov 25 08:58 UTC | HN request time: 0s | source
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ktallett ◴[01 Nov 25 12:02 UTC] No.45780988[source]▶
Why exactly have ICE been given limitless power? Facial recognition is at best right more than half the time, but many studies have shown it to be consistently faulty leading to many wrong ID's. What is the point of a database with incorrect biometric data connected to a person?
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TrackerFF ◴[01 Nov 25 13:15 UTC] No.45781410[source]▶
Because who's going to stop them?

What happens right now is this: ICE can run loose and do whatever they want. If some judge finds their activities illegal, they can block ICE from doing the illegal things.

But...who's going to stop them? Not the DOJ. Stephen Miller has said that ICE have "federal immunity". The keen observer will of course know that there's no such thing as "federal immunity", so a charitable way to interpret that statement is that no-one federal will go after them.

So what about states, and local police? Sure, they could start arresting them, but then again, Miller et. al have warned the states about not interfering, threatening with going after LEO's etc. with federal charges if they do so.

The long story made short is that they can (and will) keep doing illegal shit until someone stops them, and that's not going to happen as long as Trump is POTUS. DOJ and ICE leaderships has explicitly said that their workers should just ignore the law and courts.

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1. SubiculumCode ◴[01 Nov 25 17:11 UTC] No.45783361[source]▶
It depends on how hard they push States. If it comes to the point where States begin threatening succession, and starts giving orders to local law enforcement...
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2. Kinrany ◴[01 Nov 25 18:44 UTC] No.45784203[source]▶
Secession?
3. chasd00 ◴[01 Nov 25 19:46 UTC] No.45784697[source]▶
I live in Texas and lots of people were talking about that a few years ago. "We should just secede!", when i pointed out that they would have to defeat the United States Marines (and all of the United States armed forces) first they got real quiet. Once a state declares they're no longer a part of the United States then any sense of Constitutional protections or governance fly out the window. They're now on their own and subject to the full force of the remaining United States.