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Async/Await is finally back in Zig

(charlesfonseca.substack.com)
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ajross ◴[] No.45782414[source]
Is it time now to say that async was a mistake, a-la C++ exceptions? The recent futurelock discussion[1] more or less solidified for me that this is all just a mess. Not just that one bug, but the coloring issue mentioned in the blog post (basically async "infects" project code requiring that you end up porting or duplicating almost everything -- this is especially true in Python). The general cognitive load of debugging inside out code is likewise really high, even if the top-level expression of the loop generator or whatever is clean.

And it's all for, what? A little memory for thread stacks (most of which ends up being a wash because of all the async contexts being tossed around anyway -- those are still stacks and still big!)? Some top-end performance for people chasing C10k numbers in a world that has scaled into datacenters for a decade anyway?

Not worth it. IMHO it's time to put this to bed.

[1] No one in that thread or post has a good summary, but it's "Rust futures consume wakeup events from fair locks that only emit one event, so can deadlock if they aren't currently being selected and will end up waiting for some other event before doing so."

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jayd16 ◴[] No.45782502[source]
I really wish people would get over the coloring meme.

Knowing if a function will yield the thread is actually extremely relevant knowledge you want available.

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pton_xd ◴[] No.45782525[source]
Look at the node.js APIs: readFile, readFileSync, writeFile, writeFileSync ... and on and on. If that's not a meme then I don't know what is.
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rafaelmn ◴[] No.45782549[source]
And the alternative without async-await is ? blocking the event loop or the callback pyramid.

Node is one place where async-await has zero counter arguments and every alternative is strictly worse.

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1. ajross ◴[] No.45782999{3}[source]
> And the alternative without async-await is ? blocking the event loop or the callback pyramid.

No, just callbacks and event handlers (and an interface like select/poll/epoll/kqueue for the OS primitives on which you need to wait). People were writing threadless non-blocking code back in the 80's, and while no one loved the paradigm it was IMHO less bad than the mess we've created trying to avoid it.

One of the problems I'm trying to point out is that we're so far down the rabbit hole in this madness that we've forgotten the problems we're actually trying to solve. And in particular we've forgotten that they weren't that hard to begin with.