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sotiresome ◴[] No.45781344[source]
Another wave of refugees incoming to Europe. Somehow we are morally and financially responsible of every failed society
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lores ◴[] No.45781489[source]
Countries housing the most refugees:

Iran 3.5 million

Türkiye 2.9 million

Colombia 2.8 million

Germany 2.7 million

Uganda 1.8 million

Pakistan 1.6 million

Chad 1.3 million

Poland 1 million

Ethiopia 1 million

Bangladesh 1 million

Source: UNCHR, https://www.unhcr.org/refugee-statistics

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hagbard_c ◴[] No.45781790[source]
The important difference here is that nearly all of those countries both border those where the conflicts are and are ethnically and culturally similar to the conflicted regions. This is not true for western Europe (which is where most of these migrants want to go) which neither borders any of the conflicted regions nor is (or, locally, was) culturally similar to them. The exception to this in the list you quoted is Poland which does have a border with a country at war - Ukraine.

If war breaks out in Finland there will be a swell of Finnish refugees entering Sweden and Norway but I do not foresee them flying halfway across the globe to request asylum in Afghanistan even if that country were to be flourishing then. Why, then, is the opposite seen as normal?

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churchill ◴[] No.45781802{3}[source]
Have you tried enforcing your own border policies with this weird thing called a coast guard or border police?
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1. hagbard_c ◴[] No.45782287{4}[source]
The answer to that question depends on who you ask. If you ask it to the electorate the answer is a more and more resounding 'yes, now, please'. If you ask it to the majority of politicians the answer ranges from "we can not, we're bound by international treaties" to "you're a racist/fascist/*-phobe for asking such questions'. There are a few politicians who have made it their motto to outdo each-other in calling for more stringent border policies and those politicians get a lot of votes but they mostly end up being sidelined through what is euphemistically dubbed a 'cordon sanitaire'. If one of them ends up having some power eventually the result is nearly always the same: they do no do what they have been promising all those years, pointing left and right for their reasons for not fulfilling their promises.

In theory the political systems we have here in western Europe which are based around forming coalition governments should allow for reaching compromises between the 'open borders' factions and the opposing 'our nation comes first' factions. In reality things often don't work that way due to the practice of shunning those parties which claim to want to act on the calls for more stringent migration policies, labelling them 'far-right/racist/xenophobic' and turning them into pariahs. The proponents of this practice do not seem to realise all they achieve is more polarisation and further radicalisation on all sides of the spectrum and that a single large event could end up giving power to one of those radicalised factions whether that be in their envisioned 'nazi takeover' style or along the lines of the premise of Houellebecq's 'Soumission' which foresees islamic law being implemented in France. A more likely outcome is for more countries to drop out of the EU to create local blocks like the Visegrad countries and the Nordic countries.